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Post by bomaye on Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:06 pm

It's also because Call of Duty and some of the sports games were the gateway drug for jocks and dudebros who used to make fun of (or even bully) nerdy gamer kids to get into gaming, and the Wii (and phone games) were the same for women (who used to look down on etc gamers, girl gamers were like shiny Pokemon, excessively rare). Those people mostly stuck to those games or genres, and the rest of the industry started changing their games to appeal to them, rather than the nerdy gamers who've been around forever. They were like the Star Trek reboot movies, dumbed down action-comedy fests to chase the Star Wars audience, rather than sticking to the sweaty, pushing-glasses-up Star Trek fanbase that had already been built.

They were the Trojan Horses that let the barbarians in, and then the lords of the keep started trying to appeal to the barbarians instead.
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Post by KMR on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:15 pm

I can see where that kind of thinking would play into it too. Although, the games market is large enough and wide enough that I should think there's plenty of room for the so-called "casual" games AND the more nerdy games to coexist just fine, with plenty of companies and game developers who appeal to each type of audience. That's a bit different than something like Star Trek, where there's only one or two entries in the franchise going at a time, so if it's shifted toward appealing to a different type of fan, that does actually detract from giving the existing fanbase what it wants.

I mean, I've always been into pretty nerdy games, like ARPGs, and I've never felt like the genres I love have been changing in some kind of troubling ways as a means of appealing to a wider audience. Nor have I ever felt threatened by the existence and broader popularity of other game genres.
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Post by Enail on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:15 pm

<mod> Bomaye, anything about 'real' or original nerds vs. others is outside of your topic limits, and getting into women in relation to that is way outside of them. I know it's not exactly a tight ship around here lately, but this is still a subject you need to steer clear of. </mod>
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Post by KMR on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:29 pm

Enail wrote:<mod> Bomaye, anything about 'real' or original nerds vs. others is outside of your topic limits, and getting into women in relation to that is way outside of them. I know it's not exactly a tight ship around here lately, but this is still a subject you need to steer clear of. </mod>

I had assumed he was just speaking hypothetically about the kind of mindset some nerds might have on this topic. Didn't realize this was a potential trigger point, though. I hope I didn't add any fuel to the fire by discussing this.
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Post by Enail on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:41 pm

No worries, you didn't do anything wrong, it's not a banned topic in general, and it's up to Bomaye to stay out of it.
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Post by bomaye on Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:32 am

Yeah, my bad.
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Post by Enail on Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:29 pm

The Orville is fun and Star-Trekky in many ways, but at the same time, it doesn't feel like a world I can imagine myself in the same way, all the casual scenes seem to involve the characters telling drinking stories and shit (or playing video games that are barely more advanced than current videogames, wtf, they have holodecks, why are they pressing unintuitive buttons to make cheap-looking holograms fight boringly in front of them!?), not only do they come across like "the future" is only a thin coating over a totally modern, Western culture, it feels like the most generic, mainstream possible subset of our culture. Where are my weird space nerds?
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Post by KMR on Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:18 am

I recently had a similar conversation with my boyfriend on this topic, in which I said, "TNG feels like a utopian future for nerds, while The Orville feels like a utopian future for the average joe."
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