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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Aggrax on Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:54 am

Uh-oh Anime, don't do this to me. Don't do this to me anime!

Episode 10:
All the stuff with Aya was adorable and amusing, which I loved. Of course, since this is Erased, I knew it meant shit was going to hit the fan and OH HOLY HELL DID IT! I was kind of 50/50 no whether or not it would be the teacher, now that we know everything fits pretty perfectly in to place.

And that ending where all the film strips break and the light in the center goes out, then fade to end credits. So much suspense for next week. Now I'm stuck watching week to week because there is no way I'm waiting any longer than I have to for the resolution to that.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:44 pm

So someone I know has a theory for how Episode 10 gets resolved

Spoiler:

There's now a time paradox. Satoru drowning means he can't grow up to retain the knowledge that allows him to send himself back into the past to change events in the first place. His "death" should end up force-cancelling this latest revival and shunting him back into the future.

There's also the slim possibility that "YASHIRO, I KNOW YOUR FUTURE" gets Yashiro into the water to save him.

Also, something that now makes sense after Episode 10

Spoiler:

So I've seen redditors comment how "Boku Dake Ga Inai Machi" is actually the wrongly worded. "Boku" is a male pronoun but it was a reference to Kayo's story.

Now it makes sense.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:49 pm

Episode 10:
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKKK

That moment where we see Kayo at her grandmother's while he's sinking in the water.

Yashiro did look like the "I know your future" line gave him serious pause. The paradox makes sense too as a solution, though this show hasn't really touched on the mechanics of time travel that way up till now.

Being called childish is the only thing that makes Kenya act childish  Laughing

If we're going to be literal about it, this timeline doesn't really work for "boku dake ga inai machi". Literally "the town where I alone am not," emphasis on it being only the speaker who isn't there, but Kayo's gone and Yashiro's going to leave as well. I don't really think it needs to be that literal, though. I'd sort of taken it previously as an expression of not belonging and withdrawing from the rest of the world, he alone doesn't feel like really a part of this town the same way Kayo didn't, they're both seeking peace and safety in erasure. Shrug
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:08 pm

Spoiler:

It's really more of a "small details being planned out in advance" thing that I'm impressed with. What seems like a small flub turns out to be another clue to the big reveal.

Which, for a monthly manga, this is a payoff that's a few years in advance
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:00 pm

bomaye wrote:
Spoiler:
There's also the slim possibility that "YASHIRO, I KNOW YOUR FUTURE" gets Yashiro into the water to save him.
Spoiler:
That's what I was thinking too. Pulls him out > takes him elsewhere to pump him for infos > Satoru gets opportunity to escape/turn in Yashiro. Maybe? Hopefully? Uh-oh

Enail wrote:
Spoiler:
If we're going to be literal about it, this timeline doesn't really work for "boku dake ga inai machi". Literally "the town where I alone am not," emphasis on it being only the speaker who isn't there, but Kayo's gone and Yashiro's going to leave as well.
Spoiler:
I don't speak any Japanese, but I seem to recall seeing a translation like "the town where only I am missing," which, uh... would really make sense if Satoru being the single victim is what it takes to save everyone else. Including Kenya. From being Futurekiller. No
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 11, 2016 5:33 pm

Werel wrote:
Enail wrote:
Spoiler:
If we're going to be literal about it, this timeline doesn't really work for "boku dake ga inai machi". Literally "the town where I alone am not," emphasis on it being only the speaker who isn't there, but Kayo's gone and Yashiro's going to leave as well.
Spoiler:
I don't speak any Japanese, but I seem to recall seeing a translation like "the town where only I am missing," which, uh... would really make sense if Satoru being the single victim is what it takes to save everyone else. Including Kenya. From being Futurekiller. No

Spoiler:
No, it's the verb "to be/to be located" in the negative - a/the me only is-not town- I don't think there's an implication of "missing."

Re: With the reveal of Yashiro, I don't really see Kenya becoming Futurekiller. That seems like it would be an ill-fitting response to his teacher killing some classmates, unless there was some pretty heavy involvement and grooming going on, and while we've seen them meeting and having mysterious discussion, it doesn't seem like enough to really foreshadow that kind of futurekiller grooming. I thought it was a possibility when we didn't know who the killer was, that maybe it was someone in his family and thus he was continuing their work in the future, but I'm not feeling it so much if it's Yashiro. Do you still see it as likely?
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:25 pm

Spoiler:

Kenya could've delivered Kayo in a silver platter to Yashiro on the Izumi Elementary Bus, I think he's innocent <_<

Gave the ep a rewatch

Spoiler:

I did catch most of the hints that Satoru was going to be the one to die while watching the first time (Sachiko taking a long stare at him, the extended and excited goodbye to his friends) but they also did a thing when he was walking Hiromi home where he said he was going to talk to Bully-chan the next day and then it quickly switches to a stop-light turning red.

God, the fucking villain turn in that tunnel, Yashiro speaking with complete freedom knowing Satoru can't do shit, leaning in when he stops the car to mock him, refusing blame for killing Satoru, FUCK this guy is such an evil prick.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:27 pm

Spoiler:
Actually, with the Yashiro reveal, it seems even more likely to me that Kenya is Futurekiller-- given that we've been shown Kenya having Secret Meetings with Sensei multiple times at this point, and that Kenya's had the red-eyes treatment a few times, and that Kenya's desire to join the superhero team popped up around the time Yashiro began experiencing real interference with Kayo, and that Yashiro seemed pretty aware of what the kids were up to (enough that it makes sense that Kenya's been keeping him posted)... I dunnoooo, Kenya's looking more suspicious than ever in my book. Uh-oh
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:37 pm

Spoiler:
I hoooooppppppe not Sad
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:46 pm

Spoiler:

That was set up Satoru's birthday. Yashiro had a secret meeting with Hiromi to set up Bully-chan as bait for Satoru, he's just maneuvering the kids around to give him cover silent
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:00 pm

bomaye wrote:
Spoiler:

That was set up Satoru's birthday. Yashiro had a secret meeting with Hiromi to set up Bully-chan as bait for Satoru, he's just maneuvering the kids around to give him cover silent

Spoiler:
Unless that's cover for something else Uh-oh
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:39 pm

Spoiler:
G-guys...

What if the person Yashiro was on the phone with was Yuuki's dad, and he is in on it, and that's how Yuuki's family truck was there to red-herring Satoru at the hockey game, and that's why Yashiro has Yuuki's family's rubber boots, and Yuuki-Dad planted the child porn in Yuuki's room to make the framing airtight

Cause I really can't stop wondering why that truck was there and why Yashiro had those boots Uh-oh
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:15 pm

Spoiler:
Nooooooo, poor Yuuki Sad
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:56 am

Spoiler:

Remember how Yashiro patted those Bento Boxes during the hockey warmups? He ordered them from Shiratori Foods and Yuuki's dad delivered them there. He mentioned this at some point in the card ride I think.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:35 pm

Spoiler:
OH RIGHT.

Man, I'm glad we've got somebody rewatching the episodes with hawklike eye for detail, it makes refinement of theories 65% more efficient Laughing

Still giving the sideye to Mr. Shiratori though.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Aggrax on Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:18 am

Spoiler:
So, we know that the last time Satoru "failed" in his goal to figure out what was going on, he was briefly returned to the present before jumping back in to the past. I have to wonder if we are going to get another flash forward to Airi and somehow see something that happens in the future effect the past?
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:05 am

THURSDAY THURSDAY THURSDAY
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:22 pm

I'm scared. AND EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:19 pm

Uh-oh I'm No so Crying excited Run in circles flail
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:22 pm

WAUGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Spoiler:

- CREEPY AS FUCK YASHIRO
- THE SATORU-LESS INTRO
- SACHIKO TAKING CARE OF HIM FOR 15 YEARS
- Child-voice in the adult body
- Yashiro had on his gloves when the cancer girl was sleeping, he probably struck again Neutral
- "I remember" NO DON'T END THERE

Post-episode stuff

Spoiler:

- There was a Hamster wheel in Yashiro's home when we saw him making Child Protection Services calls
- At 16:43 of the first episode, you can see the Spider-Thread over Sachiko's head. You can also see one for Airi somewhere but I forget where
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:09 pm

OOOOOOOOF

episode 11:

-Satoru-less intro pale
-Ffffffffff so that explains the end of the intro, god I hope Yashiro doesn't tip Satoru's wheelchair off the roof
-SACHIKO'S 15-YEAR SACRIFICE Crying
-Adult Kayo punched my heart in the guts
-God, and the kid voice in the adult body... yeah.
-S-so.... is there no future where he knows Airi now?
-LIL KUMI IS A GONER Sad
-Those paparazzi talking about Satoru ("kid in adult's body, likes little girls") make me think if Yashiro doesn't kill him, he'll try to pin Kumi on him, Yuuki-style

bomaye wrote:At 16:43 of the first episode, you can see the Spider-Thread over Sachiko's head. You can also see one for Airi somewhere but I forget where
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:14 pm

Spoiler:

My big fear is that in figuring out a way to defeat Yashiro, he'll never know Airi Sad

Also so like... I've been reading the manga and following along a few episodes behind and except for some small details here and there and maybe a cut chapter (and what seems like the beginning of a cut storyline) it's mostly been the same.

And then halfway through what would've been last episode, in between the original Graduation and the car-ride with Yashiro where he reveals himself as the Killer, something happens in the manga that was left out of the anime that absolutely and unexpectedly WRECKED MY SHIT. I'm not sure it can happen now in the anime because of time constraints and it's setting in the story, but because it may be spoiler-y I'm not gonna mention specifically where/when until it's over, but putting this here just to remind myself silent
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Aggrax on Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:30 am

Spoiler:
That opening was so good.

I loved the way they played that opening scene, like Sachiko is being reminded all the time of the son she lost, only to surprise us with Satoru actually being alive but in a coma. I misted up a little when I saw her crying.

Then of course they bring in Kayo and the baby and now I'm full on crying. Damnit show.

I have to wonder just when Satoru got his memories back. Was it just as he started riding the elevator up or has he had them for a lot longer? I feel like he knew that Yashiro would be looking for him and that's why he wanted his rehab to be increased, so he would me able to move when he needed to. On the same vein, I wonder if he's maybe playing up his use of the wheelchair so that Yashiro is less suspicious and cautious of the danger?
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:03 pm

Ep 11:
Crying  Crying  Crying This episode completely wrecked me! Mom going about her life, all those quiet moments and it's so sad, and then SHE GETS HIM BACK!!!! And then her devotion looking after him all this time! The little kid voice. And I nearly outright cried when Kayo comes in. She has a baby! She has people who love her! He gave her a future!  We need a smiley for smiling through your tears.  Crying  Smile  Crying  Run in circles flail

Him taking those first steps in rehab kind of wrecked me too.

I agree that Yashiro's planning to pin Kumi's murder on Satoru. Although, he left a phone at her bedside, presumably belonging to the person he's framing, and does a guy who's been in a coma for 15 years and hasn't left the hospital yet really have a cellphone already?

He definitely has to have a plan in telling Yashiro he remembers, since he approached him it's something deliberate rather than a desperation move, and why would he do that unless he has a plan. And also, Kenya coming with Sachiko's old coworker, it kind of seemed like something was up with them, didn't it? Between Kenya and the adults they had enough information to at least make a guess what happened, so I'm hoping they're in on it with Satoru and this is all just part of the plan to catch Yashiro. Which would be a pretty perfect resolution, all the friends he made, making himself be part of the world and connected to other people, it wasn't just to save them, it could be about saving him too - instead of a fragile spider thread, he's made a whole web.

OTOH, I'm not sure he could really surprise Yashiro that he can walk, surely the doctor would be reporting to him. OTOH, doctors and physiotherapists don't always communicate with each other very often, so it's definitely possible the doctor doesn't know.

What a place to end the episode. This fucking show. SAVE HIM! SAVE EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:17 pm

Spoiler:

I think in the case of Sawada, he's still out to solve the child murders "cold"-case (because Yashiro still killed people before and after he left town) and in Kenya's case, he's a lawyer and he knows Satoru was actually onto something when he was a kid because of what happened to him silent
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