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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:39 pm

bomaye wrote:
Spoiler:

I think in the case of Sawada, he's still out to solve the child murders "cold"-case (because Yashiro still killed people before and after he left town) and in Kenya's case, he's a lawyer and he knows Satoru was actually onto something when he was a kid because of what happened to him silent

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Exactly! They could have put two and two together and been working on it as a team all this time! Or at least in contact and keeping an eye on things.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 18, 2016 5:16 pm

For some reason, this episode is really sticking in my head and haunting me more than usual.

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I think maybe it's because it feels kind of final. It feels like...if he lives (please live!!!), this is the world he's going to live in, this world he hasn't gotten to see aging with him, an adult who still has the mental voice of a kid but the knowledge of someone older, his mom with her life put on hold to look after him for so long, out of sync with his classmates but their lives still stitched together by what happened and his own actions.  

It's a very bittersweet almost-the-end, his life is so irrevocably changed, but also there's so many people who were waiting patiently for him to come back. And Airi, who represented the first little piece of connection, nowhere to be seen, maybe never coming into his life this time. Maybe he doesn't need an Airi in his story anymore, or maybe he's just going to go out there and find her.

Too many feelings.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:40 pm

Spoiler:
Enail, I was thinking that same thing about Airi not being in this version of his life, but her having been so integral to his ability to go back one more time and get it "right," and her planting that crucial seed of relying on/trusting others in Satoru's mind so that he could wake up in a world where there are people who care about him waiting at his bedside. It's bittersweet as hell.

I'm also really glad Kenya is a good dude and loyal friend instead of futurekiller (I think [for now {god I hope}]) silent

Enail wrote:it could be about saving him too - instead of a fragile spider thread, he's made a whole web.
WAUUUGHHH SMILING THRU TEARS EMOJI
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:52 pm

Spoiler:

I feel like there's still one more revival left. Defeating Yashiro in the past provides the happiest ending (Satoru can still fail as a manga artist because of the traumas endured as a child, can still meet Airi and have everyone around him, can save all those people that Yashiro murdered over the years), and I'm not sure there's a way for Satoru out of the current predicament.

I also have it in my head that the scene from the intro where Satoru dodges a bullet and then the camera POV falls off the roof. Satoru's life could be fatally about to end and the Revival kicks in, giving him one final shot to set things right and if he doesn't, he's dead.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:31 pm

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That'd be good. It would have to be a really fast final shot, though. One episode isn't a lot of time...
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:20 pm

I, uh, may have added some new smilies solely in anticipation of the final episode. Uh-oh

nailbiting panic and Happy tears, here we come!
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:59 pm

Shiny/thrilled Thank you for providing for our needs Enail Shiny/thrilled
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:26 pm

My friends. It's here.

We're going to save them all, together.

Also here's a link to the manga

I've read up to 29 so far, and I'm personally DEMANDING reactions to Chapters 28 and 29.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:20 pm

nailbiting panic Run in circles flail nailbiting panic Run in circles flail

Definitely reading the manga after this.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:51 pm

Episode 12

Spoiler:

We won ;_;

AND OH GOD AIRI ;_;

Chapter 32

Spoiler:

JESUS, Yashiro's story is so fucked up. Seeing the Spider's Thread on himself, what the SHIT

Chapter 35

Spoiler:

AGHHHHHHHHHHHHH, AIRI WAS THE ONE WHO GRABBED THE CAMERA
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:02 pm

THE END:

-Misato with the donation box for Satoru had me tearing up instantly
-“Now I have friends I can trust” yup just straight tears now
-Good wink, Satoru. Good wink.
-That classroom scene. All that treasured lost time. Heart
-YUUKI’S WIFE AND CHILD Crying
-Even “2010 National Champions” makin me sniffle
-And…. Airi. Thank you, show. Thanks for letting Satoru lose NOTHING and gain EVERYTHING and save EVERYONE.

…..Happy tears

edit: Yep, definitely gotta read the manga now
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:59 pm

The end:
WE DID IT YOU GUYS Happy tears

-they were all in on it! I totally called it on the spiderweb.
-that smirk and wink
-the classroom, the whole gang meeting again, Yuuki and family, his essay, all of it,  Happy tears This smiley's too calm, I need more of a smiling and sobbing my head off smiley because TOO MANY FEELINGS MOST OF WHICH ARE THE SAME FEELINGS AS EACH OTHER BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM, OKAY
-Airi!   Shiny/thrilled  Happy tears  Shiny/thrilled  Happy tears
-WE DID IT, YOU GUYS, GROUP HUG!

The manga better not change the ending on me Uh-oh
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:23 pm

I just finished the manga. Anime's mostly better. The non-spoiler way I'll say it is that we did miss out on Chapter 28/29 and 35/36 in the anime, but we got the important and less fucked-up versions of everything else that we needed to progress to the end. I much prefer the speed of the anime's ending to the manga's as well.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:44 am

Manga 1-10 thoughts:

-Huh, the part right before future-Mom is killed in the manga really dwells on how much her relationship with Satoru was fucked up by not believing him about Yuuki. Makes the final timeline where she believed him all along and was rewarded with 15 years of lonely vigil but a fully good relationship with her son afterwards waaaaay more poignant

-Also more depth on how socially fucked up Satoru felt before all of it happened, which is nice rounding-out and makes him even more sympathetic.

-The vertical-banner notes (the ones in Times New Roman) that are like weird tabloid headlines/romance novel taglines are killing me. "The sad truth!!" "By going back to the past, her past has come to light." "Went back too far... into the past!!" Popcorn
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:23 pm

Manga 1-10, to catch up with Werel:
I'm finding the manga less skilled than the anime. I'm sure some of it's that the translation's not that great, but also, the narration is kind of clumsy and repetitive, it seems like he's saying more than should need to be said sometimes. And the art's not the best, either. Sad Little Satoru's pretty cute, though.

Satoru comes across a little differently at the beginning too, he seems more focused on being a mangaka, in the anime it came across more like he'd mostly given up and was pretty half-hearted about it, while in the manga it seems like he's more actively struggling with the desire to do something good vs. his unwillingness to put too much of himself into it, he really cares about it. In general he reads as a little lighter on the apathy and heavier on the resentment/anger. I agree with you, Werel, the way they went into how his mom not believing him affected their relationship really makes that ending hit harder.  

-I like that he starts out not being able to remember what was up with Hiromi, and that his kidnapping seems more deeply entwined with the whole story, whereas in the anime it kind of just felt like an add-on with Kayo's as the important one. But I hope it doesn't mean it'll lessen the importance of Kayo.

-Him not greeting Yuuki when he's with his friends felt very real to me. I hope his relationship with Yuuki will be a little more ongoing and developed throughout the whole story, in the anime it felt super-important but was only actually a few small scenes, and I'd love to see more of him.

-I'm enjoying the more interior look at what he was like as a kid and how he developed those friendships too.

-the anime's tighter pace works much better for the beginning IMO, going right into the kidnapping threat in the present and back to the past at the first episode instead of spending several chapters with him reminiscing and trying to remember first.  

-that first scene when he's back in the past and his mom comes home was a gut-punch all over again.

-once he's in the past, things seem to be sticking pretty closely to the anime (or vice versa, rather).

-yes @ those headlines  rofl  
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:37 am

There's small things different here and there, but the anime didn't start deviating significantly from the manga until about Chapter 32 which was the chapter after

Spoiler:

the car ride.

Be fucking braced for that one
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:21 pm

I convinced Juuulia to watch it.

She's coming up on Episode 10/the car ride. I told her it's "adorable." Evil


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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:38 pm

You are pure evil! Shiny/thrilled
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:38 pm

Manga Ch 11-16:

-Not much different from the anime here, and I'm missing the lack of voices/music/movement quite a bit, I don't feel like it's grabbing me by the throat and making me feel like IT'S ALL UP TO ME MUST KEEP WATCHING SAVE KAYO as I did with the anime.

-Yuuki looks much younger here, more like he's barely an adult than 28, which ups the feeling of Satoru realizing he's older than Yuuki now. It's interesting to get a few more little details on him.

-that image of Hinazuki disappearing into the snow

-I think the translation's at least partly to blame, but when Satoru's discussing the case with Sachiko's ex-coworker, his explanation of Sachiko's reaction makes no sense. She chose to focus on Satoru because she chose not to find the real killer because she chose to focus on Satoru because she was trying to teach him that it wasn't his fault? What are you trying to say, man?? I guess the general idea is that he's trying to say she didn't want to pursue the real killer even though she suspected he hadn't been caught because she felt guilty at not believing Satoru so she wanted to reassure him that he was wrong about it all and thus shouldn't blame himself for the deaths? Which is pretty convoluted in itself, and I'm not even sure that that is what he's trying to say.  Uh-oh
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:05 pm

How extremely convenient, I was just finishing 16 as you posted this.  Cool
manga 11-16:

-Hey, in the anime, I thought Yuuki didn't have a bunch of loli porn in his room, just normal porn No
-I got the same confused vibe off his conversation with the reporter. The previous exposition about Mom not believing Satoru & its effects was easier to follow, so that bit seemed redundant.
-Also right with you on this not grabbing like the anime does, but I'm just reading it for whatever ASTONISHING ADDITIONAL TWISTS are coming in 28/29 Razz
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:22 pm

Werel wrote:How extremely convenient, I was just finishing 16 as you posted this.  Cool

Brilliant minds and all that Cool (also, why did I not know we had this smiley? I picked the smileys!  Suspect )


manga 11-16:

-Hey, in the anime, I thought Yuuki didn't have a bunch of loli porn in his room, just normal porn No

Spoiler:

Yah, me too!

Spoiler:

-Also right with you on this not grabbing like the anime does, but I'm just reading it for whatever ASTONISHING ADDITIONAL TWISTS are coming in 28/29 Razz

I am with you on that!
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:12 pm

manga 17-32:

-I liked the additional backstory about Kenya's dad as a lawyer, helped explain Kenya's priorities and eerie self-possession a bit more. Also a pretty big deal that it was Kenya's testimony that originally put Yuuki away; I don't remember that from the anime.
-The charcoal briquette murder is an interesting additional tidbit too. God the MO of different kinds of no-visible-damage killing and keeping the bodies perfectly intact is so creepy No
-OH GOD 28/29! I was reading this in public and that was a BAD IDEA cause Crying "I had taken the pain as a 'loner' for granted. When I wasn't a loner anymore, it struck me how painful it was." PUNCH ME IN THE HEART WHY DON'T YOU.
-Hinazuki with all the other friend-kids... wauuughhh
-Mom is my favorite mom from any manga ever. I love her. "Satoru sure has been good at making friends lately. How creepy." Laughing
-HER WHAPPING THAT UNDERWEAR THIEF rofl
-Sawada! DAMN! Does that mean that in the original timeline, Mom knew there was a risk of murders before they happened? Would explain a lot about why she originally kept it from Satoru if she was afraid for his life before the kidnappings even happened.
-"Another case is going on right next to me, and I'm not talking about Yashiro-sensei's candies." OH AREN'T YOU?
-I love that Kayo got a chance to try and help with the case after her situation stabilized. She deserves to play hero too.
-The art in the manga isn't spectacular, but the reveal panel of Yashiro is pretty skin-crawly.
-I guess I had been wondering what the hole in Yashiro's heart was. Don't know how satisfying the big brother story was, but it's sort of nice to have something for his backstory. OTOH, it might have worked just as well or better to have him be an unexplained monster. Feels truer to life than a neat narrative that pinpoints the exact moment when someone was Made Bad.
-Fiancee story was also okay, but I think it was a good call to leave it out of the anime. Felt kinda peripheral.

Overall so far: prefer all the anime's choices on the big storyline differences, but there are some really nice additional moments in the manga.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:29 pm

28/29

My reactions, as I recall

Spoiler:

- "D'awww he missed being called stupi- AGHHHH SHE's BACK ;_;
- "AGHHHH, SACHIKO KNEW SHE WAS GOING TO BE BACK"
- "You're my hero" "JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP"
- Kayo being the one that Yashiro gets to maneuver Satoru instead of Hiromi just made him even more evil too Neutral

32

Spoiler:

- I think it is somewhat true to life in that he was already a fucked up kid beforehand and probably would've ended up this way anyways, but that was like the tipping poing/point of no return. Real life cases, Richard Ramirez had an older cousin who kind of set him on the path and it was thought that Ted Bundy got pushed over the edge from a singular moment (looking up his birth records and learning that his older sister was actually his mother).
- The fucking ending where he sees a Spider's Thread over his own head was just fucking amazing. One of the interpretations is that his own pathos is telling him to kill himself. Even though the anime probably revealed that at a better point (in the puddle after he was caught), I think it hit home much harder in the manga
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:41 pm

32:

The moment in the manga where he saw his own spider thread did land nicely for me because he just laughed at it. It does make for a much scarier villain if he's doing all the 1988 stuff knowing that he's got his own thread. A person marked for death can be terrifyingly reckless. Uh-oh

I'm also feeling creeped out as hell every time I see a picture of a hamster since watching this. YOU RUINED HAMSTERS FOR ME, BOKUDAKE :shout:
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:39 pm

You're too fast, Werel!

Manga Ch. 17-32:

-when Satoru's telling Kenya that if he gets caught and arrested when they kidnap Hinazuki, his mom would just tell him "way to go," Kenya getting a vision of mom and being like "Surprised ...okay.." Laughing

-The second row panel here is the only bit so far I've liked better in the manga than the anime. Satoru's face!  rofl

-Ch 26, I'm a little worried that giving Kenya the lawyer-dad/previous framed suspect backstory bit will take away the ending's sense of importance of the 15 years Satoru was missing, that all the other people were working to help him and make things okay, it seems like it would lose a bit of that without Satoru being Kenya's reason to become a lawyer like in the anime. That Kenya's testimony sunk Yuuki was a pretty good punch, though.

-Kayo comes back?!? My first reaction was half happy, half NOOOOOOOOO, WHAT IF SHE'S BACK IN DANGER?? Also, total Happy tears-feeling at her trying to befriend Misato.

-"We'll see him tomorrow" Sad

-Brrr, Yashiro's backstory.  The bit with Atsuko in Satoru's memory earlier on had struck me as little off from the feel of the rest of it at the time, and with it connecting to Yashiro's backstory seems a bit much coincidence for me. I can see why they decided to cut that for the anime. But I  agree that the backstory is super-creepy and kind of realistic-seeming, and him seeing the spider thread that early is suuuuuuuper creepy and intensity-upping for the reaction to Yashiro, but also that there are a lot of peripheral/unnecessary bits and the anime's spider thread reveal was a much more solid place to put it for the overall story. I'm wondering if the ending's going to land up a lot weaker.


Werel wrote:
manga 17-32:

-"Another case is going on right next to me, and I'm not talking about Yashiro-sensei's candies." OH AREN'T YOU?

Spoiler:
Laughing  I nearly reached through my screen and murdered the creator at that. YOU'RE ENJOYING THIS TOOO MUCH!

bomaye wrote:28/29
Spoiler:

- Kayo being the one that Yashiro gets to maneuver Satoru instead of Hiromi just made him even more evil too Neutral

Spoiler:
UGH, I KNOW!!  :shout:
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