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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:05 pm

Berserk 24

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- God damn, Casca. Hell on Earth literally just happened and she's all "Keep your fucking cool, ladies, we got this."
- Heyyyy uhhh, now Griffith is crying blood
- Advent and Great Feast?
- Oh hey, it's that scary as fuck face from Gut's Episode 1 nightmare
- This giant brain-guy just made me think of that one Spongebob character x) (Squidward?)
- Apostles, eh?
- Of course Guts doesn't give a fuck about what kind of Hell Monster is front of him
- DEMONS USED TO BE PEOPLE?
- They're all gonna get sacrificed for Griffith's ambition, aren't they Sad
- "His will" He's gonna do it :/
- Is Guts going to hang there and watch the Hawks get massacred? Sad
- "This is the only path that leads to the castle." With scores of dead bodies
- The Knight Kid :/
- The demon hallucination is sunk-costing his dream again :/
- Leeeet's not use the convenient Guts flashback to justify becoming the demon kinggggg
- "Bury yourself in the ruins of your dreams." Laying it on a little thick :/
- OI OI OI SQUIDWARD JUST CREATED THE SIGIL THAT WAS BURNED ONTO THE NECK OF GATSOO IN THE FIRST EPISODE
- Just realized, I don't think Guts has the giant sword with him
- "You and you alone..." Remembrance of being friends "Made me forget my dream." FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
- Yeah, he offered them all, that fuck
- And now they're all burned. Is Guts the only one walking out of this? :/
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Re: Berserk

Post by Werel on Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:14 pm

Run in circles flail nailbiting panic Run in circles flail
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Re: Berserk

Post by Student on Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:26 pm

bomaye:

24:
You're now at the point where things are a bit different in the manga. Without going into too many details: Remember a while back when Guts left the group? He meets someone there (in the manga only) who appears later when Rickert is in danger and rescues him... This leads Rickert to meet another important character.

The situation after they were hunted by the king changed too. The king goes completely batshit crazy in the manga (i don't remember if he does in the anime) and basically tries to rape his daughter. Then he sends real monster against Guts and the Hawk... He makes Zodd seem reasonable. This chase sequence is pretty long, and it kinda has a great impact on Griffith.

This guy is transformed into a monster and he is really freaking dangerous. Guts manages to kill him but not without a lot of effort. When he finally dies, he reverts back to his human form and Griffith looks at him and you understand that Griffith sees that this weak and tiny shriveled little human gained so much power from the Behelith...

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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:39 pm

@ Student, I skimmed your post a bit but I'm going to skip your comments for now juuuuuuussttttt in case some of those elements show up in the movies
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Re: Berserk

Post by Student on Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:46 pm

bomaye: No prob. Nothing of what I mentioned spoils the future of either of the anime and manga, though. (just to make that clear).

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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:09 pm

Yeah, no prob, I'll check it out after the movies and see what's what

25

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- Everyone's getting eaten Sad
- Guts vs a horde of demons, I might take Guts silent
- PIPPIN FUCK Sad
- Corkus getting hugged by a creepshow titty demon
- JUDEAU'S ARM FFFF
- JUDEAU FUCK Sad
- "Those crucial words" "You sure cry a lot don't you" N-NO, NOT AT ALL ;______________;
- JESUS WHAT THE FUCK @ WHAT'S HAPPENING TO CASCA
- Thanks for getting born at that specific moment (I assume that went worse in the manga)
- Oh boy, so Griffith is going to rape her instead Neutral
- Annnd there goes the arm, and not easily Neutral
- This is pretty fucked up
- Ho shit, Guts just got eye-scraped
- KILL THE WORLD, GATSOO, EVERY LAST PERSON ON IT
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Re: Berserk

Post by Werel on Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:32 pm

Welp there you go Neutral

Here's a box of e-kleenex

Spoiler:

"You sure cry a lot" A LINE DIRECTED AT THE VIEWER AT THAT MOMENT Crying

Also, if you have questions about how Guts got out and became the dude you see in the pilot, it's covered in the manga but not addressed in the show. I'll hold off on saying anything cause it might happen in the movies, but it's one of the cooler manga-only characters

I'm prolly gonna watch the movies now even though they're maybe not so good silent
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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:34 pm

Spoiler:

I've been told the Eclipse in the movies is ridiculously over the top hardcore :/

Skimmed through the first episode. A lot of "ohooooooo" and "YOSHHHHAAAA" having known what happens

Gonna watch the first Berserk movie in a little bit, there's something else I'm gonna watch first
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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:00 am

FAKEOUT I'm still gonna watch it later, but not yet

Overall thoughts on this portrayal of The Golden Age

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So if I'm just rating it on what I saw without knowing where Black Swordsman goes, it wouldn't be something I'd recommend people to watch, or I'd recommend watching it up until episode like 23 or 22. I liked the battles, the political intrigue, trying to figure out Griffith, people who had traumatic shit happen to them slowly becoming friends. The payoff to the Black Eclipse has got to be like emotionally worth it for what ended up happening, just "bad shit happens to everyone and then GATSO finally gets his angry revenge" may not be enough, like there's a point where enough bad shit happens that it's not worth it (like certain elements of Game of Thrones). We'll see how things go with the upcoming season
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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:16 am

Something that occurred to me while watching the first movie about a thing that thing that happens that no one else believes them on

Spoiler:

The way Zodd talks about fighting, and with the idea that Behelits create demons in the first place, I wonder if Zodd was like a Guts-type person a few hundred years ago
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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:01 am

The Golden Age Arc Movie 1

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Pros:

- The way they animate Griffith compared to the anime (basically with women's lips) adds to his mystique. Except I think the anime did his eyes better
- The drawn animation during the fight with Zodd was amazing.
- I don't think they did this in the anime, but when dead-eyed Guts walks down the stairs after hearing Griffith's speech to the Princess, it seems to indicate that Casca realizes that it was him who killed the Royals and not the Tudors.

Cons:

- Music can't compete.
- The sound effects are unarguably better quality, but I prefer the old-school sounds effects. Really missed the SHUNK of Guts sword sticking into dudes
- Theeee animation. Some of it was beautifully done, but constantly switching between cel-shaded 3D animated models and 2D animation, oftentimes in the same scene, was JARRING. Also the quality would dip between main and non-characters, so you'd see some random guard who looked like a cheaply animated Tales Of random battle enemy standing next to a well defined animated character. And the movement would change from fluid to stiff. I can deal with dips in quality between scenes, and differences between say animating a giant mecha with CGI and then the characters with 2D animation, but this was really in-your-face in a bad way
- The new voice actors are missing something that the old ones had. Guts is missing the growl, I guess Griffith is okay, Casca's is missing pretty much everything, the way she'd try to inject ferocity into a woman's voice when she was angry, the volume when she gets sad or worried, like the range is gone.
- I think this is more of a treat for the manga readers than anything. There isn't enough time to connect to any of the other characters (Judeau etc) and it's really missing the slow build between the big three that a longer anime allowed for.
- Oh, and no Foss

Middle:
- So some of the awful stuff that slipped into the anime, like Gambino, was mostly missing here. You miss some character building (and dat voice) but you also miss the awful stuff and it doesn't really get talked about, so that's okay.

Survey says: Anime was better.


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Re: Berserk

Post by Werel on Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:23 am

Oh my god I'm being peer-pressured into watching the Berserk movies, what wonderful universe is this Happy tears

bomaye wrote:Survey says: Anime was better.
Shiny/thrilled + Cool mega-combo

re: overall golden age arc:
I agree that there's got to be some emotional payoff after the eclipse, cause otherwise it could just be too much pointless suffering to take as entertainment. I think the Black Swordsman storyline(s) go some good enough places to make it well worth it for me, and I liked a lot of the same stuff you did about the anime (traumatized people becoming friends in a crappy world, political power, the character development), so maybe the new show will hit for you.

bomaye wrote:Something that occurred to me while watching the first movie about a thing that thing that happens that no one else believes them on

Spoiler:

The way Zodd talks about fighting, and with the idea that Behelits create demons in the first place, I wonder if Zodd was like a Guts-type person a few hundred years ago
ME TOO (it hasn't been answered in the manga)
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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:35 am

Werel wrote:
re overall Golden Age arc:
I agree that there's got to be some emotional payoff after the eclipse, cause otherwise it could just be too much pointless suffering to take as entertainment. I think the Black Swordsman storyline(s) go some good enough places to make it well worth it for me, and I liked a lot of the same stuff you did about the anime (traumatized people becoming friends in a crappy world, political power, the character development), so maybe the new show will hit for you.

Spoiler:

I kind of peeked at a bit of talk about the end of the third movie and stuff and the idea that Casca has gone insane afterwards and that there's a freaky demon abortion running around is like "Okay, so what are you going to do to make it up to us for this?"
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Re: Berserk

Post by Werel on Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:43 am

Spoiler:
Yeahhhh it does admittedly get a lot more grimdark (hence "Golden Age" Laughing), but if parts of you are wondering "what happens to this Midland place once Griffith is in charge, and what is Guts going to do to keep Casca safe/cure her, and WHAT IS FATE AND WHAT IS THE GOD HAND" + some real cool new characters you might find payoffs worth the super-awful stuff. Or not, that's cool too Razz
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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:46 am

Spoiler:

Is part of Guts mission "how do I cure Casca"?

It kind of feels to me like there's no coming back from that stuff Uh-oh
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Re: Berserk

Post by Werel on Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:46 am

Spoiler:

Yeh

Guess you could say... Guts finally has a dream Sad
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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:55 am

Spoiler:

I guess that's a little better then. That means it'll be addressed somehow eventually
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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:58 am

Werel wrote:Oh my god I'm being peer-pressured into watching the Berserk movies, what wonderful universe is this Happy tears

The peer pressure we're putting on Enail between watching Ajin and reading Berserk must be immense Uh-oh
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Re: Berserk

Post by Guest on Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:19 am

On the stoic nature of Guts:

While I definitely won't contest that he is somewhat stone hearted and probably fits the generic protagonist and lone wolf tropes through and through, I'll add that this is a reaction to the brutalities that have been acted upon him in addition to the violence he dishes out himself (You could attribute his stoic nature as a symptom of his PTSD. It also isn't very far removed from the accounts of WW2 soldiers who exhibit a thousand yard stare).

He actually does emote quite intensely to his capacity for cruelty, although from memory, I think this is more or less depicted in the earlier manga chapters  scratch.

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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:32 am

HermitTheToad wrote:On the stoic nature of Guts:

While I definitely won't contest that he is somewhat stone hearted and probably fits the generic protagonist and lone wolf tropes through and through, I'll add that this is a reaction to the brutalities that have been acted upon him in addition to the violence he dishes out himself (You could attribute his stoic nature as a symptom of his PTSD. It also isn't very far removed from the accounts of WW2 soldiers who exhibit a thousand yard stare).

He actually does emote quite intensely to his capacity for cruelty, although from memory, I think this is more or less depicted in the earlier manga chapters  scratch.

Spoiler:

I think every once in awhile he hits a new level of death-dealing that just deadens his soul a little more. Gambino and falling off the cliff, Adonis andthe thousand yard stare, he killed a hundred dudes and he's passed out and his face is just sad because it's stupid how good at killing things he is but he's still protectively cupping his sword because it's the only thing that keeps him safe. I think when he joins back up with the Hawks it's less that he enjoys the massacring and more that if he's going have an awful skill, at least it'll keep his people safe.

And then when he kills that first Apostle at the start and just enjoys it. It's like he's decided to become a demon to the demons themselves
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Re: Berserk

Post by Guest on Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:53 am

bomaye wrote:
Spoiler:

I think every once in awhile he hits a new level of death-dealing that just deadens his soul a little more. Gambino and falling off the cliff, Adonis andthe thousand yard stare, he killed a hundred dudes and he's passed out and his face is just sad because it's stupid how good at killing things he is but he's still protectively cupping his sword because it's the only thing that keeps him safe. I think when he joins back up with the Hawks it's less that he enjoys the massacring and more that if he's going have an awful skill, at least it'll keep his people safe.

And then when he kills that first Apostle at the start and just enjoys it. It's like he's decided to become a demon to the demons themselves
Yes, well put. Just wait till you get to....heh, you'll see.


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Re: Berserk

Post by bomaye on Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:04 am

Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Angry

Oh, it's almost 11 hours later and I'm finally starting to feel like a human being again after the last episode of the anime. Binge-watching things has its drawbacks Shudder
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Re: Berserk

Post by Enail on Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:56 am

bomaye wrote:
Werel wrote:Oh my god I'm being peer-pressured into watching the Berserk movies, what wonderful universe is this Happy tears

The peer pressure we're putting on Enail between watching Ajin and reading Berserk must be immense Uh-oh

It is! Sad How are you people so fast??
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Re: Berserk

Post by Werel on Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:47 pm

HermitTheToad wrote:
Yes, well put. Just wait till you get to....heh, you'll see.

You talking about
manga volume 26+:
the berserker armor? Yeah, talk about finally developing a use for that two-sided stoicism/intense emotion coin... "You say you're good at trauma-induced dissociation? Well now you gotta do it ON COMMAND, in the heat of battle, or you'll destroy everything you fight to protect, have fun! Oh also the armor is probably a demon too good luck"

(Do you read the berserker armor as sentient? ALSO... you thinking what I'm thinking on why its helm looks like Skull Knight?)
?

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Laughing I think I had to go get ice cream and get a good night's sleep before I stopped feeling dead inside, 11 hours ain't bad
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Re: Berserk

Post by Student on Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:31 pm

In terms of emotions and storytelling both the anime and the manga feel genuine. When I read it and when I watched the anime I never really felt like I was being manipulated.

There's been a few other shows that have tried this "dark" thing Berserk did. For example, Akame ga Kill tries to write it for a shounen audience, but I felt it was far too manipulative. The characters felt like they acted not out of some genuine emotions but rather because the author wanted to make you hate those characters.

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