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Post by bomaye on Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:51 am

I've made a few posts about this in the Winter 2017 thread, and the Entertainment joys thread, so might as well go for it

First and foremost, this is a really sexually explicit series. It doesn't show everything in the anime, but there's points where I was wondering how far they would actually go, there's a few times where it's more or less a hentai without showing anything they'd have to blur out. I have no idea if the manga goes farther, but it is seinen/adult manga, so it absolutely could just be full-on porn mode there.



Kuzu no Honkai/Scum's Wish is an ongoing manga and a current-season anime (it's a Thursday show, we're up to 5 episodes out of 12) and also apparently has an IRL drama adaptation. I assume the anime is going to get an original ending and the manga will continue past a certain point

The story is about a high school couple, Hanabi and Mugi, who both hold unrequited love for different teachers (in Hanabi's case, an older boy she grew up with who is now a teacher at her high school, in Mugi's case, an older girl who was his tutor and is a new music teacher at the same school), and use each other as surrogates to try and fill the emptiness and loneliness they feel. There's a lot of slurpy kisses, awkward sex, different reactions to emotions and feelings, and there is one character who's revealed later who's just the fucking worst (it's a similar feeling to how the killer from Erased toyed with people, but without the violence).

So I don't get a lot of feels from this, but it's more something that makes me lean forward a little bit because they're really pushing for something here and it's super interesting because they're putting a lot of effort and thought and style into everything. And they say things that I've thought before but I've never heard mentioned elsewhere before. Considering the origins of the nerdlounge as a dating site, this might fit into the theme of the board's DNA too.

(Speaking of Erased, the outro is from the same person who sung the Erased outro)
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Post by Prajnaparamita on Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:12 pm

I mean, I think Scum's Wish might be a YMMV on how much of what the characters are doing are stuff you've been through yourself. Here's the thing--there's an older male friend of mine who looks to me like a little sister and who has watched me grow up who I had a crush on for years, and perhaps I hate to admit it, I still have feelings for, as I am planning to eventually move across the country eventually to live with him (platonically). Yes we're great friends, and yes we've been through a ton together and I know he doesn't see me like that, but during my teenage/early twenties, I was totally obsessed with him, I couldn't think of anyone but him. And yeah, I bounced around a whole bunch of meaningless relationships trying to find something to fill it, seeking men who were emotionally unavailable to me. And so there's a fuck ton in the anime that makes me just want to stop and shout at the screen "HOLY FUCK THAT'S MY LIFE", like the apathetic way you sort of look when you feel like nothing but this one person can make you happy, or the way your mood can turn on a dime when you think of them. It brings back all the memories of unhealthy obsessive crushes, the wondering of "do I wish I had never met you so I never would have felt this pain?"
Spoiler:
Also my BFF was a queer girl in the closet who didn't realize she was attracted to women but hardcore crushing on me regardless while I was totally oblivious. She even propositioned me a few times, good times all around  innocent She's now living in New Zealand with her long time girlfriend, so all's well ends well I guess!

Also like I'm loving the series as someone who really likes sex, and really likes hentai, because there's this fun game of "is that really realistic or is that just hentai", like for example the kiss in the first episode where you see a trail of spit linking their mouths--that's a classic hentai trope, but doesn't actually happen IRL really? But other things, like, say, not knowing how to touch a dick
Spoiler:
Hanabi, I was the opposite, I guess I just thought dicks and balls were equally fragile and prone to pain, and so you have to stroke it like a kitten--I was shocked at how much force dudes use!
are so goddamn spot on for the sheer awkwardness of teenage fooling around.

Anyway, more assorted thoughts hidden under the spoiler tag, for episodes 1-3

Spoiler:

-Yo, is there some kind of law in Japan that says that every first kiss has to involve pinning the other person's wrists down? Yes ya'll, I know wrist pinning is fun and all, but maybe wait until the second date at least? Seems a bit... forward...
-Okay, I am never going to get over how much I love the paneling in the animation--its like they're animating pages of manga (I mean yes they literally are, but you know know what I mean). The use of negative space and closeups is just fantastic for sure.
-I really don't like the twintails character, she's the one who feels the most like a lazy anime trope, acting in a way that really doesn't make sense for any human being without being called the hell out for it. (which she kinda is but not really). She does have her moments, what with recognizing that she fantasizes about Mugi as a coping mechanism (guuuurl, I've been there) and he's just a fantasy now to suit her needs.
-I wonder if Hana has any feelings actually for Red-Haired Yuri Chick who I can't remember the name of, or if she's 99 on the Kinsley scale and just feels guilty for turning down her feelings and the logic of "if you just want a warm body to replace him, won't mine do?" I... kinda really want them to get together. I know its not going to happen, but they look like they'd be the best for each other of any of the goddamn pairings so far. (Its creepy as hell to fuck someone you call Onee-chan, and Mugi is a depressed loser who only seems to care about touching boobs, sorry not sorry.) RHYC actually knows Hana and appreciates her for who she actually is and is looking out for her best interests. Hana, do what I could not--gay marry your best friend and live happily ever after!
-Also I love both twintails and RHYC being right about what's happening with Hana and Mugi, but for the wrong reasons--this show is doing some interesting exploration about how we only know people from the perceptions and judgments we make about them, and what we project of ourselves onto their role in our lives.
-Actually, I diagrammed it out of curiosity, I think we're looking at a love... hexagon? Its even more confusing now that the other student of Music Teacher got introduced.
-On the topic of music teacher actually, I totally get that shitty feeling when your crush uses you to get closer to the person they're actually after and you can only sit there and watch. When my crush got dumped by his long term girlfriend, he went around sleeping with Instagram models to try to boost his self esteem after being so crushed, and he would brag about it to me and show me their pictures. He knew about my feelings at the time, and I rightfully called him the hell out and he knocked it off, but yeah it was pretty crap...
-Finally, is the music teacher the manipulative one we should be watching out for? I'm starting to get creepy vibes from her.

Finally, my thoughts on some of the show as a crisis counselor (because it sucks, but I guess I kinda can't turn off that part of my brain anymore.
cw: rape, child abuse :
So one of the things we get in our work, between the abused kids and suicidal people is women who had been raped the night before who are just in total shock and unable to even process or talk about what just happened. And they all go the exact damn same way, “I was at a party, I’d been drinking, I know it was all my fault…” and you mentally you had a shot of something strong because you’re gonna be here for two hours with this person and best case scenario you might be able to help them not have such crippling PTSD years down the line. Anyway, even as much as they often in the moment can’t even talk about what happened, older trauma and sexual abuse will often come up in these conversations as you both talk around what happened the previous night. Anyway, I had one of those “just been raped” convos recently, and while the woman couldn’t tell me what had happened to her, she did start telling me a story about when she was 15 with her first boyfriend. They’d been fooling around, but she’d told him clearly that didn’t feel ready to have sex and she didn’t want him to stick it in. So he did anyway, and kept going against her will. She told me that she froze up and just sort of let him, but was crying the entire time as he got off in her. And with the people I talk to, I have to be as unemotional and neutral as possible, because its not about me, but internally I was like “WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK HOW ON EARTH COULD ANYONE CONTINUE TO HAVE SEX WITH SOMEONE WHO WAS CRYING AND CLEARLY UPSET ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING?!?!” So, uhhh, yeah. That’s one of the things about doing crisis work, is that rape culture stuff about consent and the messages media sends hits me a lot stronger because I actually see the end result and how it affects the survivors of rape at their most vulnerable (because how the hell else would a woman who’d said stop and tried to fight him off before he punched her in the face and told her he’s kill her if she fought back believe that what happened to her was her fault without a whole lot of societal messages telling her so?) and so it's a lot harder for me to enjoy problematic media. I totally get that in this scene of Scum’s Wish, Hana is crying because of her desire for her crush and the fact that she’s doing it with some other guy instead and she wants it but at the same time it feels wrong (and the captions of “more more more, touch me more) makes it clear that she is enjoying herself, but still the scene made me feel kinda squicked out, because in the world that I’d want to live in, if your sexual partner is crying and not making any indications of pleasure, you’d stop and check in. And I’m worried that stuff like this could/would send the message of “oh just keep going, she’s enjoying it she’s just keeping it hidden”. And yes, I know if I’m expecting enthusiastic consent in anime I can wait until hell freezes the fuck over, and hella problematic is the name of the game in Japan, but this is the reason I really don’t watch anime much anymore, because it feels like watching all the reasons women come to me blaming themselves for some dude sexually assaulting them.

Also, do we ever see short hair blond chick again, Mugi’s first girlfriend/FWB person? I hate to go here, but dropping out of school + hypersexuality at a young age gives hints of possible childhood sexual abuse. Just sayin’. Anyway, Prajna rant over.

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Re: Kuzu no Honkai/Scum's Wish

Post by Enail on Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:20 pm

I read the first few chapters, and I'm not really into it enough to keep going.

Ch1-5:

The characters are very cute, it does a good job of capturing complicated feelings and that tunnel-vision emotional focus of an obsessive crush, and the sexual bits are quite good, but I don't really like relationship drama enough to enjoy something so heavily revolving around soap opera rivalries, angst, and intense 'meh' feelings towards the people you're fucking.

I do like the potato guys, though Laughing

And yeah, Prajna, I find it pretty uncomfortable how passive and visibly indifferent Hana is when they're screwing around the first time. They both have kind of dead eyes, which is pretty squicky to me, but she isn't doing anything even though her thoughts show that she's into it if conflicted. But in the manga scene of the first time, it looks like she's intentionally keeping him from seeing her face while she's crying (possibly to not ruin the substitution rather than specifically to hide that she's crying), and when a text from her crush interrupts them, which is the first page where we can see he can see she's crying, Mugi says they should stop, so it doesn't quite have the same level of problem as it sounds like the anime does.

And yes, the girl with the long pigtails feels much trope-ier and less real than the other characters.
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Re: Kuzu no Honkai/Scum's Wish

Post by bomaye on Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:47 pm

Enail wrote:I read the first few chapters, and I'm not really into it enough to keep going.

Spoiler:
Doh, I was interested in seeing if you had anything to say about the lesbian stuff later on

I'm gonna do more thorough replies a little later or maybe tomorrow
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Post by bomaye on Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:32 pm

Prajnaparamita wrote:I mean, I think Scum's Wish might be a YMMV on how much of what the characters are doing are stuff you've been through yourself. Here's the thing--there's an older male friend of mine who looks to me like a little sister and who has watched me grow up who I had a crush on for years, and perhaps I hate to admit it, I still have feelings for, as I am planning to eventually move across the country eventually to live with him (platonically). Yes we're great friends, and yes we've been through a ton together and I know he doesn't see me like that, but during my teenage/early twenties, I was totally obsessed with him, I couldn't think of anyone but him. And yeah, I bounced around a whole bunch of meaningless relationships trying to find something to fill it, seeking men who were emotionally unavailable to me. And so there's a fuck ton in the anime that makes me just want to stop and shout at the screen "HOLY FUCK THAT'S MY LIFE", like the apathetic way you sort of look when you feel like nothing but this one person can make you happy, or the way your mood can turn on a dime when you think of them. It brings back all the memories of unhealthy obsessive crushes, the wondering of "do I wish I had never met you so I never would have felt this pain?"
Spoiler:
Also my BFF was a queer girl in the closet who didn't realize she was attracted to women but hardcore crushing on me regardless while I was totally oblivious. She even propositioned me a few times, good times all around innocent She's now living in New Zealand with her long time girlfriend, so all's well ends well I guess!

... Are you sure you aren't writing this series? Uh-oh


Also like I'm loving the series as someone who really likes sex, and really likes hentai, because there's this fun game of "is that really realistic or is that just hentai", like for example the kiss in the first episode where you see a trail of spit linking their mouths--that's a classic hentai trope, but doesn't actually happen IRL really? But other things, like, say, not knowing how to touch a dick
Spoiler:
Hanabi, I was the opposite, I guess I just thought dicks and balls were equally fragile and prone to pain, and so you have to stroke it like a kitten--I was shocked at how much force dudes use!
are so goddamn spot on for the sheer awkwardness of teenage fooling around.

Spoiler:

The first kiss, sloppy and squishy noises and all, was the tip-off to me that something different was happening in this one.

The handjob was like a "CAN THEY EVEN SHOW THIS ON TV, THESE CHARACTERS ARE MINORS" moment Uh-oh


Spoiler:

-Yo, is there some kind of law in Japan that says that every first kiss has to involve pinning the other person's wrists down? Yes ya'll, I know wrist pinning is fun and all, but maybe wait until the second date at least? Seems a bit... forward...

Spoiler:

So from stuff I've gathered, the Japanese are still very conservative about sex as a taboo. A lot of their love tropes are still about like "oh no, we accidentally bumped into each other doki doki" or "take a bit from your ice cream? But isn't than an indirect k-k-k-k-k-kissoo", so I think their sex tropes lead to them more awkwardly playing expected roles rather than doing what's natural, like the man being dominant or forward and the woman being passive and receiving.


-Okay, I am never going to get over how much I love the paneling in the animation--its like they're animating pages of manga (I mean yes they literally are, but you know know what I mean). The use of negative space and closeups is just fantastic for sure.

Love that shit too


Spoiler:

-I really don't like the twintails character, she's the one who feels the most like a lazy anime trope, acting in a way that really doesn't make sense for any human being without being called the hell out for it. (which she kinda is but not really). She does have her moments, what with recognizing that she fantasizes about Mugi as a coping mechanism (guuuurl, I've been there) and he's just a fantasy now to suit her needs.

Spoiler:

I almost forgot about her tbh.


Spoiler:

-I wonder if Hana has any feelings actually for Red-Haired Yuri Chick who I can't remember the name of, or if she's 99 on the Kinsley scale and just feels guilty for turning down her feelings and the logic of "if you just want a warm body to replace him, won't mine do?" I... kinda really want them to get together. I know its not going to happen, but they look like they'd be the best for each other of any of the goddamn pairings so far. (Its creepy as hell to fuck someone you call Onee-chan, and Mugi is a depressed loser who only seems to care about touching boobs, sorry not sorry.) RHYC actually knows Hana and appreciates her for who she actually is and is looking out for her best interests. Hana, do what I could not--gay marry your best friend and live happily ever after!

... Careful/wish for etc silent



Spoiler:

-Actually, I diagrammed it out of curiosity, I think we're looking at a love... hexagon? Its even more confusing now that the other student of Music Teacher got introduced.

Spoiler:

I think we are actually at 8 different connections <.<


Finally, my thoughts on some of the show as a crisis counselor (because it sucks, but I guess I kinda can't turn off that part of my brain anymore.
cw:

Also, do we ever see short hair blond chick again, Mugi’s first girlfriend/FWB person? I hate to go here, but dropping out of school + hypersexuality at a young age gives hints of possible childhood sexual abuse. Just sayin’. Anyway, Prajna rant over.

Spoiler:

- The way she said "Sorry for stealing your adolescence" from him was such a jolting thing to say. There's two things that happen later that are gonna give you more to say about this

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Post by bomaye on Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:51 pm

Ep 4 stuff since it was fairly recent. This is where it feels like the story really gets going

Spoiler:

- Yes, it's he Music Teacher. She is the fucking WORST
- The thing that actually has made me the most uncomfortable in the show so far is what her and Ecchan did together. It was almost like Ecchan was both desperately trying to convince her that it was okay while completely taking advantage of her.. and yet Hanabi is the one who thought she was taking advantage of Ecchan.

Ep 5

Spoiler:

- The way the colour fills in when Onee-chan comes to find her
- WOW @ Mugi knowing that the Music Teacher is horrible but twisting it in his head so he's still sympathetic to her, even when he knows she's fucking with him the entire time
- So the things that play into your theory @ Pranja, Mugi's blonde-haired FWB, both saying "every time we did it you didn't want to", and the tear that rolled down her face when they started getting into it. It occurs to me that if she's his first, he may have learned what sex was like from him (crying, being forceful etc), which could account for how he handles himself in bed
- "We probably did it for the same reason." It's weird how dead they are to each other that they don't even care that they've been sleeping around but at the same time how they're almost a lifeline because they understand each other
- How the music teacher looks at the world ("Boring") is just fuuuuucked
- This shit right here. I know exactly what he was talking about but I've never quite heard it expressed in media.
- That ending with the music teacher, what a huge fucking biiiitch
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Post by Enail on Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:02 pm

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Enail wrote:I read the first few chapters, and I'm not really into it enough to keep going.

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Doh, I was interested in seeing if you had anything to say about the lesbian stuff later on

If there were particular bits you think might be interesting, I could skip ahead and reading some, I'm just not engaged enough to read the whole thing.
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Post by Enail on Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:03 pm

bomaye wrote:
Enail wrote:I read the first few chapters, and I'm not really into it enough to keep going.

Spoiler:
Doh, I was interested in seeing if you had anything to say about the lesbian stuff later on

If there were particular bits you think might be interesting, I could skip ahead and reading some, I'm just not engaged enough to read the whole thing.


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Post by Prajnaparamita on Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:10 pm

bomaye wrote:
... Are you sure you aren't writing this series?  Uh-oh

See Enail, I think this is pretty much the reason why for you and bomaye, the series is kinda meh, like its pretty and all but not captivating. For me its like HOLY SHIT STORY OF MY GODDAMN LIFE. Like, I don’t give a damn that the characters are largely unsympathetic and their issues all of their own making. At that age, I was a lil shithead and my obsessive so-called love of the man I desperately wanted to be with was also a problem of my own making. It felt like the biggest, most pressing issue any human being could possibly face, and I wallowed in the melodrama of the problem I had created for myself. Also like the animation (and a lot of the animation decisions) are goddamn beautiful and unlike pretty much anything else, its one of the few series where I’m preferring the anime to the manga.


Spoiler:

bomaye wrote:
The first kiss, sloppy and squishy noises and all, was the tip-off to me that something different was happening in this one.

I know, but even with the saliva noises, they still don't seem to quite have captured just how much deep make out sessions are basically shoving your face into somebody else’s face. If the characters can still look beautiful and graceful while sticking their tongues down each other’s mouths, they’re doin’ in wrong lol.

Spoiler:

bomaye wrote:
The handjob was like a "CAN THEY EVEN SHOW THIS ON TV, THESE CHARACTERS ARE MINORS" moment Uh-oh
Oh gosh that looked like the world’s worst, saddest handjob. I’m honestly shocked he managed to get off from it lol. Dudes just LOVE having their dicks wrung out like a wet washcloth!

bomaye wrote:
So from stuff I've gathered, the Japanese are still very conservative about sex as a taboo. A lot of their love tropes are still about like "oh no, we accidentally bumped into each other doki doki" or "take a bit from your ice cream? But isn't than an indirect k-k-k-k-k-kissoo", so I think their sex tropes lead to them more awkwardly playing expected roles rather than doing what's natural, like the man being dominant or forward and the woman being passive and receiving.
Okay, okay, all that is true, but…

Spoiler:

What then of RHYC?

I mean, take a hypothetical here—suppose you were wondering if you should confess to your long time friend your attraction to her and was wondering if she’d be interested in going out with you—how would you do it?

A. Admit to her that you’ve come to realize you have a crush on her, and ask her if she’d be willing to go out on a date with you.
B. Ask a friend if they’d be willing to go as a go-between and ask her how she feels about you and if she’d be interested in dating you.
C. Write her a long letter about your feelings for her, in flowery dramatic language, slip it in her locker, and then run away before she can open it.
D. Wait until you’re alone with her in a room in the dark, and during a moment of vulnerability on her part, suddenly pin her down to the bed and forcefully make out with her with no warning whatsoever.

I’m just sayin’ lol, this series can get rape-y as fuck yo

Spoiler:

bomaye wrote:
Prajnaparamita wrote:
-I really don't like the twintails character, she's the one who feels the most like a lazy anime trope, acting in a way that really doesn't make sense for any human being without being called the hell out for it. (which she kinda is but not really). She does have her moments, what with recognizing that she fantasizes about Mugi as a coping mechanism (guuuurl, I've been there) and he's just a fantasy now to suit her needs.

I almost forgot about her tbh.

BUUUUUURNNNNNN

bomaye wrote:
... Careful/wish for etc silent

Spoiler:

NOOOOOOOOO, she’s not going to turn into a psycho yandere from her unrequited love is she?! Goddammit Japan, just when I thought we were at the point of respectful queer representation you gotta cray-cray em!

Spoiler:

bomaye wrote:
The way she said "Sorry for stealing your adolescence" from him was such a jolting thing to say. There's two things that happen later that are gonna give you more to say about this

Oh gosh sympathetic and thoughtful portrayals of male victims of sexual assault in media yes please

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Post by bomaye on Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:43 pm

Prajnaparamita wrote:
See Enail, I think this is pretty much the reason why for you and bomaye, the series is kinda meh, like its pretty and all but not captivating. For me its like HOLY SHIT STORY OF MY GODDAMN LIFE. Like, I don’t give a damn that the characters are largely unsympathetic and their issues all of their own making. At that age, I was a lil shithead and my obsessive so-called love of the man I desperately wanted to be with was also a problem of my own making. It felt like the biggest, most pressing issue any human being could possibly face, and I wallowed in the melodrama of the problem I had created for myself. Also like the animation (and a lot of the animation decisions) are goddamn beautiful and unlike pretty much anything else, its one of the few series where I’m preferring the anime to the manga.

The animation and the style are one of the main draws for me, I think, though I wasn't really expecting any of the characters to be super sympathetic (Scum's Wish) or anyone I could really relate to. And it's a noitamina block show, and those have a rep for being interesting at the very least.


Spoiler:

I’m just sayin’ lol, this series can get rape-y as fuck yo

Yyyyyyyyuuuuuppp. It's somewhat like a sexual car-crash with immature people, and you're just wondering what awful thing is going to happen next half of the time <.<
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Post by Prajnaparamita on Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:49 pm

Spoiler:

bomaye wrote:
- Yes, it's he Music Teacher. She is the fucking WORST

See, this is what confuses me about the music teacher. If you’re a psychopath who gets off on being in control of others and the only desire you feel is for having the power to crush the desire of others, why the eff would you become a music teacher?! Its just like, there are so many other professions that would let you do what you want to do a lot more often and easier! You’re clearly very intelligent and a master at reading people—become a CEO so you can fuck over the lives of your employees as much as possible. Or hey, become a cam girl or a stripper or a prostitute so you can woo men and break up relationships AND get paid for it too! Or if music is so important to you, become a pop star or an idol and fuck over your groupies and fans! Having to you know, be a teacher sounds like it would really put a hamper on all that fun soul crushing and manipulating and controlling, what with the professional boundaries you’ll be held to and all.

Spoiler:

bomaye wrote:
- The thing that actually has made me the most uncomfortable in the show so far is what her and Ecchan did together. It was almost like Ecchan was both desperately trying to convince her that it was okay while completely taking advantage of her.. and yet Hanabi is the one who thought she was taking advantage of Ecchan.

“You’ll say yes to me because you’re afraid to lose me. DAMN that’s some next level Nice Girl-ing Ecchan!

You know when my queer still closeted and confused BFF hit on me, sure we were having a sleepover and naked and had just rubbed each other down with coconut oil and had been giving each other full body massages, and then she was like “hey wanna have me eat you out?” and I was like “thanks but no thanks” and she was like “no worries, that’s cool” and NO ONE PINNED ANYONE ELSE DOWN TO A BED WHILE SOBBING AND HAD HORRIBLE TRAUMATIC SEX.

Consent ya’ll. Its not so hard lol

bomaye wrote:
Yyyyyyyyuuuuuppp. It's somewhat like a sexual car-crash with immature people, and you're just wondering what awful thing is going to happen next half of the time <.<
I feel like for maximum accuracy, Kuzu no Hokai should be narrated by all the characters on their therapists’ couches, twenty something years later down the line as they try to figure out their broken marriages and trust issues lol

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Post by Prajnaparamita on Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:41 pm

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bomaye wrote:
- So the things that play into your theory @ Pranja, Mugi's blonde-haired FWB, both saying "every time we did it you didn't want to", and the tear that rolled down her face when they started getting into it. It occurs to me that if she's his first, he may have learned what sex was like from him (crying, being forceful etc), which could account for how he handles himself in bed

imma just sit here and calculate up the copays ya’ll are gonna need for all the fucking therapy after this is over, dun mind me, just countin up my dalla dalla bills yo

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-How the music teacher looks at the world ("Boring") is just fuuuuucked

Lady, I said it before, and I’ll say it again! If you didn’t want a boring life, ya shouldn’t have become a teacher! Become a pop star and do a lot of drugs and screw a lot of people and get involved in all sorts of scandals and make tons of money and fuck people over! If you didn’t want a life dictated by routine, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON’T BECOME A TEACHER

(Also the fact that he was asking was exactly the right thing to do, you were too drunk to stand up or remember where you were, lady! )

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- This shit right here. I know exactly what he was talking about but I've never quite heard it expressed in media.

Yeah… Wow. Just speechless at that scene, because it captured so well what I enjoy so much about BDSM (and, let’s be frank here, seeking out unstable relationships with emotionally unavailable men with drinking problems and untreated mental illness). To be at the receiving end of that, experiencing the thrill of that terror, the rush that you can’t tell if its excitement or fear, knowing what he wants to do with you. I remember being unable to breathe, not sure if it was from anticipation or a panic attack, moans that were screams of pain. And oh, its always best with the self loathing ones…

Don’t let anyone ever tell you that self-destruction isn’t wicked fun. My god, it really is.

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- That ending with the music teacher, what a huge fucking biiiitch

HOW THE HELL HAS SHE NOT BEEN FIRED FROM HER JOB FOR THIS?!?!

Okay, question ya’ll—how the fuck do all these teenagers have such nice lingerie on all the goddamn time!? That stuff is expensive you know, how the hell do they afford it all the time? And why are you always wearing it? I mean, sure if you know you’re getting laid, but the amount of spontaneous morose fucking that happens in this show where it so happens that everyone has their nicest pair on is just absurd! Is no one wearing their period panties?

Also, bomaye, is the series only out to episode 5, or is the site I've been using just lacking?

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Post by bomaye on Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:34 pm

Prajnaparamita wrote:
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See, this is what confuses me about the music teacher. If you’re a psychopath who gets off on being in control of others and the only desire you feel is for having the power to crush the desire of others, why the eff would you become a music teacher?! Its just like, there are so many other professions that would let you do what you want to do a lot more often and easier! You’re clearly very intelligent and a master at reading people—become a CEO so you can fuck over the lives of your employees as much as possible. Or hey, become a cam girl or a stripper or a prostitute so you can woo men and break up relationships AND get paid for it too! Or if music is so important to you, become a pop star or an idol and fuck over your groupies and fans! Having to you know, be a teacher sounds like it would really put a hamper on all that fun soul crushing and manipulating and controlling, what with the professional boundaries you’ll be held to and all.

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Maybe it's what she's just good at/easiest way to go. Or it's less boring to crush the souls of impressionable children

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HOW THE HELL HAS SHE NOT BEEN FIRED FROM HER JOB FOR THIS?!?!

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They'd probably have to know about it first <.<


Okay, question ya’ll—how the fuck do all these teenagers have such nice lingerie on all the goddamn time!? That stuff is expensive you know, how the hell do they afford it all the time? And why are you always wearing it? I mean, sure if you know you’re getting laid, but the amount of spontaneous morose fucking that happens in this show where it so happens that everyone has their nicest pair on is just absurd! Is no one wearing their period panties?

Parental allowance ofc


Also, bomaye, is the series only out to episode 5, or is the site I've been using just lacking?

Yep, just five so far. Next ep is out Thursday
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Post by Prajnaparamita on Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:46 pm

bomaye wrote:

Also, bomaye, is the series only out to episode 5, or is the site I've been using just lacking?

Yep, just five so far. Next ep is out Thursday

Sweet! I haven't watched a show while its coming out simultaneously in Japan since... Geez, FMA: Brotherhood lol. Feels like I'm getting in on the ground floor!

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Post by Prajnaparamita on Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:39 pm

So that moment when
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Kanai catches the drunk Akane and accidentally calls her “Hana-chan”
hit me surprisingly hard and, well I think I actually began to ship Kanai and Hana. Look, I know she has no chance and it would totally not be a healthy relationship (I mean, if you wanna bang a woman you knew as an elementary school student back when you played daddy to her you’ve got issues) but damn, it brought up feels. Idk why this anime has become Prajna’s Emotional Confession zone, but no one else knows about this and most of you guys don’t know me IRL so it seems like a safe place I guess… The guy I’ve had a crush on for years, ever since I was a teen, recently told me he had something to confess to me, but before he would tell me what it was, made me promise I wouldn’t freak out on him or anything.

And well, I’m in a happy, stable relationship now, I had sworn I was over him, but just with that everything came rushing back—I was already mentally preparing my answer, “I’m in a relationship now, and you’re thousands of miles away, but maybe when you come to the states, well, we can take it one day at a time and see where things go” *mentally starts planning wedding announcements*

Of course though, that wasn’t what he was planning on telling me, he’s not into me and I lost my chance with him a long, long time ago. He was letting me know that his depression had come back and he was starting to have passive suicidal ideation and he didn’t want me to freak out at him (as he knows how much I care and how tempted I’d be to jump on the next flight to Australia for him). I did a risk assessment, checked in on a self care plan, and promised I’d be in touch, while being fucking glad we were doing this through text so he couldn’t hear the disappointment in my voice. Of course I’ll always be there for him, and of course I’m glad he told me, but I also still can’t forget the fact that he’s coming to the states not to be with me (or really even for the career reasons he claims) but to chase after a second chance with his ex girlfriend, a woman I know I could never compare to (tall, thin, model pretty and oh, is a brilliant doctor with a prestigious research position at Harvard and did I mention that she has perfect silky long flowing hair—thanks Scum’s Wish, #tooreal)

Welp, here’s hoping that watching Hana get her dreams crushed will be cathartic in a way for me, having her move on and find happiness in a way that is actually obtainable perhaps could be a lesson for me. Anime as therapy, who would have thought.

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Post by Enail on Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:48 pm

Anime is the best kind of therapy Grin
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Post by bomaye on Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:16 pm

New episode is out
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Post by Prajnaparamita on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:14 pm

bomaye wrote:New episode is out

Where are you watching it? I've not been able to find it

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Post by bomaye on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:16 pm

I'mmmmmmmmmmmmm acquiring it, not streaming it, let's say
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Post by Prajnaparamita on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:34 pm

bomaye wrote:I'mmmmmmmmmmmmm acquiring it, not streaming it, let's say

And mayhaps, dear chap, a chance of you so generously informing a young lady such as I by what means she might come to acquire such a thing for herself?

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Post by bomaye on Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:47 am

First half of Ep 6 (got interrupted)

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- Yikes, Hanabi's reaction is "I want to beat her at her own game"
- Ohhhh boy, she's using Mugi for real and Ecchan ain't giving up for any reason, this sure isn't going to get ugly fast
- "We can at school though, right?" YIKES
- "What's wrong with having yourself be the only one who knows who you truly are" WOW
- Even sociopathic teacher-swannnn is sad and lonely, I guess
- WELP, she's going after the dude who was with Sensei for revenge

Second half of Ep 6

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- "I need you to look at me like that." Thiiiiiis karaoke scene is uncomfortable as ffffuuuuu
- This guy's awfully considerate of Hanabi's feelings, considering he's and man-whore and with all the shit she's both real and fake dumping on him
- "They say Daddy left because I was born" AGHHHHHH
- "She kisses normally. Maybe she got better at hiding it." Wuh oh
- Mugi wtf
- Thaaaat transition into the outro song
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Post by Prajnaparamita on Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:25 pm

Welcome back one and all to the series I shall now and forever refer to as “Miserable People Fucking Morosely”, sorry for the delay in getting to it, the past couple of days, I’ve just been too depressed for this shit. Anime therapy, lets start exploring that trauma!

episode 6:
-so, at some level I wish this show hadn’t gone there with the music teacher, she’s a captivating anime character for sure, but in other ways it makes the plot feel cheaper, like Hana would have ended up as one-chan’s #1 waifu 4evar if only this inhuman meddling bitch hadn’t gotten in the way, and I think it strips the story of some of its power because its not about the painful lesson of growing up and the fact that sometimes you will love someone and they won’t love you back, instead of “do I become an inhuman sociopath destroying the lives of those around me for fun or not, it’s such a hard choice!” which frankly, is kinda ridiculous when you think about it.
-Dear Ecchan. Nice Girl-ing. Does. Not. Work.
-I SAID IT DOESN’T WORK NOW KNOCK IT OFF YOU’RE BEING HELLA CREEPY
-Uhhh… I thought he was Mugi lol. The young male blond characters all kinda look the same…
-“If it's a matter of feelings…” Or you know, you could just use lube.
-Oh man. Oh goddamn fucking hell girl, I know what you mean, seeking validation through the attraction of other people, and feeling the urge to do anything to get that sense of being wanted. In other words, the story of how Prajna had unprotected sex with a drug dealer, and other deeply regretful moments in my life.
-Hana’s dad is franchising out! Good to know he’s such a classy dude!
-Oh, yeah, Moca, you uhh… still exist, huh?
-“Why won’t you use me instead?!” Uhhh, maybe because you’re the platonic ideal of pure obnoxiousness and no amount of pussy is worth having to hear your shrieks?

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Post by Prajnaparamita on Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:35 pm

bomaye wrote:
Second half of Ep 6

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- This guy's awfully considerate of Hanabi's feelings, considering he's and man-whore and with all the shit she's both real and fake dumping on him
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I guess, but he reminds me of a certain breed of fuckboy I've slept with, who will do or say literally anything to get into your panties, all while secretly rolling his eyes about "bitches be cray-cray, anyway, had sex, worth it" and then he gossips about you to all his friends. I mean, Hana kinda deserves someone being like "whaaaaaaat the fuck is your problem" I mean she is using him, and not neatly either but I'm also not giving him much credit either. Minimum amounts of basic human decency yay?


bomaye wrote:
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- Thaaaat transition into the outro song
MAKE AN ACOUSTIC VERSION OF THE OUTRO ALL ETHERIAL AND EMOTIONAL AND SHIT AND I WILL LISTEN TO IT LITERALLY FOREVER

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Post by bomaye on Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:16 pm

Ep 7

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- Bahaha, ruining Obsessive Girl's elegant atmosphere
- "I'm scared of the pain." "That turned me on." Guess we're not wasting time this episode
- "A girl who will let me do her." Heavy PUA game this guy's running
- It's like contrasting innocent love with dirty love, Princess-chan wants everything to be elegant and storybook and meanwhile Dirtbag-kun just wants to go for it w/ Hanabi
- "I want to be obsessed over. And I won't give them anything." Neutral
- And Mugi kisses her. She's totally killing herself by the end of this Neutral
- "Trees are nice" rofl
- Fucking child Mugi's face when she says she loves him, holy shit rofl rofl rofl
- The crying pass face where she's sticking her tongue out >Neutral
- I legit thought that popsicle stick that said "winner" on it was a pregnancy test at first Uh-oh
- "I'm going straight to hell." Sure are
- Mugi madonna/whores her. Or maybe it's because she was acting way too scared that it was obvious she didn't want "it", just wanted it because she thought he wanted it.
- Hanabi and Mugi keep crawling back to each other every time they fucking fail at anything else.

That transition into the outro, every fucking time, especially because it the same voice who haunted us after every Boku Dake Ga Inai Machi/Erased cliffhanger.
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Post by bomaye on Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:27 am

Ep 8 is out

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- Welp, Ecchan ofc has a guy showing unrequited love for her rofl
- "Flashback over." Nice x)
- I just realized Ecchan's hat says "Scum's Wish" on it
- That was a weird kind of logic he just tried to use to figure he still had a chance
- Ehhhh, I dunno about the holding hands thing
- Mugi confronting her about the maskkkkkkkkkk dohohohhoohooooo
- "That you're a horrible, promiscuous, broke narcissicsitsitsjkjs" damnnn son
- "I want to change you" wuh oh. Leaves Hanabi alone too :/
- "Because I'm not alone"

AGHHHHHHHHHHH
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