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Post by KMR on Tue May 07, 2019 9:52 am

bomaye wrote:
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Probably never leave your pets with KMR Uh-oh

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Well, I wouldn't be thinking of the titans as pets, was my point. Razz
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Post by KMR on Tue May 07, 2019 10:37 pm

Up to episode 22. I like how the show is broken up into story arcs that are indicated in the episode titles. It's very handy. Though it does make it hard to stop watching sometimes. :/

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All the stuff with the female titan was very engaging, but I'm kind of mad that they still haven't really learned anything new about the titans or found out who the female titan was. This show is really good at building tension, mystery, and suspense, but at this point, I feel like it's too much build-up without enough reveals. When a show does this, I also start to worry that whatever reveal they do have is just not going to live up to the hype created by all the tension-building and thus won't be as satisfying.

Here's hoping the end of the season pulls something off and alleviates my fears.
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Post by KMR on Thu May 09, 2019 12:11 am

Finished season 1.

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I had completely forgotten about Annie, but once they showed her again, it was pretty obvious from the get-go that she was the female titan, since it looks so much like her. I do like that Armin figured it out (including how he had pieced it all together) and they laid the trap, rather than the show dragging things out with a long game of "who's the spy?"

But of course, in the end they can't get any information out of her, so we're still left in the dark about all the mystery that's been building. Oh well.

Also, that post-credits scene... there's a titan WITHIN the wall?? Whaaaaat?
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Post by bomaye on Thu May 09, 2019 1:06 am

Oh man, you're really getting close to THAT episode Nod
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Post by KMR on Thu May 09, 2019 3:11 pm

Episodes 26-28

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Between the titans in the walls and the talking ape titan, I guess this show has decided that instead of answering the millions of questions I had, better just to add more questions.

There's a scene at the end of the opening credits that shows the ape titan marching with an army of huge animals, like a T-rex and a floating whale for some reason, and I'm just like, "What the fuck am I watching?" Also, the end credits are super creepy.

The scene where the titan is gnawing on the woman's leg while the little kid sits there was so gruesome. But Sasha being a badass and stabbing the titan in the eye with an arrow was amazing!

Oh shit, guys, I think the titans are coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!
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Post by bomaye on Thu May 09, 2019 7:03 pm

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That creepy outro sequence is one of my favourite outro sequences ever. It adds to the mystery of the show, it helps reinforce just how hopeless life is against the Titans, the music is memorable, and it also cut in during some of the absolute worst cliffhangers while watching week-to-week.
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Post by KMR on Thu May 09, 2019 8:04 pm

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It is oddly captivating. I actually went through and paused at each scene it depicts to look at them more closely. Is it meant to be a clue to the titans' actual origins? Is it just a religious myth about where they came from? Is it just meant to be symbolic? The image of the woman holding a baby comes up throughout the outro and intro sequences, so it has to mean something. In the one image, she looks like she's making some kind of deal with the devil. And then there's the creepy church scene where there seems to be some kind of ritual cannibalism going on. As always, I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS!

Seriously, the way this show builds up its mysteries is just pulling me right along. Even when I'm not watching, I still keep thinking about it. The worldbuilding is top-notch too.

I kind of expect the show to disappoint me by failing to live up to the hype it's creating, but I'm really enjoying the journey nonetheless.
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Post by Enail on Fri May 10, 2019 10:08 pm

S3E51
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-special climbing nails!
-that horse-like titan is fucking weird
-the finger-gunning titan rofl
-Irwin calmly taking as long as he needs to think it all out and only giving orders when Armoured Titan is nearly at the top
-and contrasted with Armin's slightly panicky warning; they're definitely setting up to have Armin getting some character growth to become a leader like Irwin. Which doesn't bode well for Irwin living to the end of the season.
-the sword still in Reiner's throat
-that little insight into how Titan-people survive swords through their throats
-Reiner and Irwin just hanging out on the wall side-by-side outthinking each other
-what's with that boing-ka-boing music??
-Did they ever establish Reiner as being that good at strategy? I feel like it's just randomly been brought in to make things more challenging, but I might be forgetting, I'm pretty fuzzy on first season by now
-Eren's really levelled up
-Bowl-cut's first titan
-Aww, little cadet Irwin!
-Irwin's mountain of corpses piling up to his castle
-Eren still can't think strategically/keep his guard up while fighting
-Ouch that earth-shattering slam!
-RIGHT IN THE EYES!!!
-Everyone suddenly realizing it means killing Reiner (even Mikasa is hesitating?? I thought after her first time not cutting off his head, she'd never hold back on him again)
-I feel weird about Jean being the one to encourage them to do it, b/c for the longest time I thought he and Reiner were the same person Lurking/sketchy
-Don't stop there!!! DID THEY KILL HIM????
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Post by KMR on Sat May 11, 2019 1:01 am

Watched a bunch. Finished season 2.

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That casual reveal of the armored and colossal titan... delivered from off-screen like it's just no big deal. Granted, the military had already suspected these guys. I really do appreciate that they're piecing these things together behind the scenes and aren't just getting blindsided by this kind of information.

Man, some of the cliffhangers at the end of these episodes. COLOSSAL TITAN HEAD FALLING OVER THE WALL, OH SHI--credits!

Erwin is a fucking badass.

On a similar note, I'm disappointed that Levi wasn't there with them. He looked so amazing when he fought last season, I was really hoping to see him fight again.

Eren can never seem to transform when he really needs to. Gotta work on that. But at least he has titan-controlling powers now. Also, I find it really gross and hard to watch when he keeps biting himself like that. I don't know why, out of all the gruesome things happening in this show, that one seems to make me cringe the most.

So as of the end of this season, we're starting to get a sense for some of "what" is going on, but we still know almost nothing about the "how"s and the "why"s.
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Post by Enail on Sat May 11, 2019 1:08 am

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The one thing I will say for the boring season is, it did give a little more why-ness.
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Post by bomaye on Sat May 11, 2019 2:21 am

KMR wrote:Watched a bunch. Finished season 2.

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That casual reveal of the armored and colossal titan... delivered from off-screen like it's just no big deal. Granted, the military had already suspected these guys. I really do appreciate that they're piecing these things together behind the scenes and aren't just getting blindsided by this kind of information.

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That reveal ended up being so great. I thought Reiner was just joking or lying because he didn't believe it, "worst reveal ever", but then they slowly pieced it together and finally it happened and then fucking Mikasa IMMEDIATELY moving for the kill for the bot of them while everyone else is still too shocked to even move. And just for a second it looks like Eren's gonna hesitate to kill his friends but suddenly YOU TRAITORS and it's go time for real


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Man, some of the cliffhangers at the end of these episodes. COLOSSAL TITAN HEAD FALLING OVER THE WALL, OH SHI--credits!

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That abrupt cut was on purpose just to catch you off guard, those fuckers. Legit felt like throwing my monitor at the time


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Erwin is a fucking badass.

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SHINZOU SASAGEYO
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Post by KMR on Sat May 11, 2019 2:49 pm

Episodes 38-40

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LEVI!! Yes, that's what I'm talking about!

Erwin's dad kinda looks like the guy that was in the Beast Titan.

Okay, so when a regular titan eats an intelligent titan, they regain their human form and become intelligent titans themselves, gaining the powers of the titan they ate. But how were the original intelligent titans made? We've got a chicken-and-the-egg thing going on here right now.
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Post by Enail on Sat May 11, 2019 3:49 pm

KMR wrote:Episodes 38-40

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Erwin's dad kinda looks like the guy that was in the Beast Titan.

I thought so too!
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Post by KMR on Sun May 12, 2019 5:07 pm

Episodes 41-45

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I will say that I'm actually fine with the current slower pacing and less-frequent action in favor of actually getting some backstory and explanations (the mystery and world-building are the bigger draws of the series for me than the action itself, even if it does have amazing fight scenes and dramatic moments). But I do think this is a case where binge-watching this part of the show after the episodes have already released is helpful. I don't have to keep waiting around for stuff to happen when I can just watch a bunch of episodes in a row.

I'm now thinking that the reason that normal titans eat people, even though they don't get sustenance from them, is because they sub-consciously know that if they eat someone who is a titan they'll regain their sentience / gain new powers. Like an instinctive drive written into their DNA. A way to keep the cycle of passing on titan powers going.

It's pretty crazy that Eren's dad willingly sacrificed himself so that Eren could eat him and take the titan powers he obtained. I'm assuming his dad decided that he couldn't keep the powers for himself because Rod Reiss knew he had them and would come after him, but in Eren they could stay hidden for a while.

I like that Sasha's become the resident archer now. Multi-classing!

When Rod Reiss turned into a titan and they said he was even bigger than the Colossal Titan, I thought, "What adjective are they going to come up with that suggests something bigger than colossal?" Then Levi referred to him as "that big-ass titan" and I was like, "Oh, that works." Laughing

Btw, Levi's my favorite character in this show, in case you couldn't tell. Wink Erwin and Hange are close behind. Then probably Armin, just because I really admire the way he always pieces things together and comes up with useful strategies.
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Post by bomaye on Sun May 12, 2019 7:03 pm

KMR wrote:Episodes 41-45

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I will say that I'm actually fine with the current slower pacing and less-frequent action in favor of actually getting some backstory and explanations (the mystery and world-building are the bigger draws of the series for me than the action itself, even if it does have amazing fight scenes and dramatic moments). But I do think this is a case where binge-watching this part of the show after the episodes have already released is helpful. I don't have to keep waiting around for stuff to happen when I can just watch a bunch of episodes in a row.


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I have kind of figured that on rewatch, the third season would probably be better just because it wouldn't drag out as long. There was a point where there were jokes about "Attack No Titans" and things of that nature became the week-to-week joke and any other show with a large character would get a "This has more Titans than AoT Season 3 does."
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Post by Enail on Sun May 12, 2019 7:12 pm

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I'm a little surprised still because it spends so much time on not-very-good character development.
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Post by bomaye on Sun May 12, 2019 10:51 pm

S3 E52

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- Oh man, they fed Marco to a Titan to hide their secret (I remember some dude named Marco), but they're just kids themselves or Stockholm Syndrome'd so it's fucked them up too, and Reiner's the most fucked up of all
- And reminded us that Annie existed
- Did we know his name was Zeke? I think some of the conversation implied that's Reiner's father
- That weirdo Titan talking, dammit rofl
- And ofc their real motivations are girls, fucking nerds Laughing
- Yeah, Reiner is definitely not dead, even with his face exploded
- Conny and Potato Girl still crying about having killed their comrade
- Oh my fucking god, throwing Bertholdt in a barrel and then using him like a catapulted bomb
- And he stops just short so he doesn't kill Reiner
- Arminnnn trying to fuck with Bertholdt like Hange would, but it's not working because Bertholdt has become more determined, knows what they're trying to do, and is also buying time for Reiner himself
- HOLY SHIT MIKASA
- And Bertholdt can hang with her
- Reiner's down so the armour can protect him (Holy shit that skeleton face rofl rofl rofl )
- Oh god, he's going to transform as high us as he can and bomb them all
- I'm assuming Hange squad didn't die because we didn't see it, but GOD DAMN
- And now he's carpet bombing them with burning buildings and they have to fight him or he'll pincer Levi Squad
- Erwin and the Beast Titan trading tactical advantages
- TO BE CONTINDJFLKDJFLKJDL FUCK
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Post by KMR on Sun May 12, 2019 10:54 pm

Decided, fuck it, I'm just gonna go ahead and catch up to y'all today.

Episodes 46-51

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The last part of the first half of the season was pretty lackluster. The big-ass titan battle was over quick, then not a whole lot really happened, just setup.

The scene that cut in during the credits though (which as of yet hasn't come up in the show) was like, "Why would you tease us with that??" Now I'm just gonna be tense until they resolve this. Also, I feel like unless this turns out to be a big case of "it's not what it looks like," this isn't the kind of thing that should be revealed in advance like this.

The basement is right there! I wanna knoooooow! I hope they don't drag that out too much.

The more backstory we see for Erwin, the more I suspect that he's going to die soon. Sad Doesn't help that Armin's basically being groomed to take over his role.
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Post by Enail on Mon May 13, 2019 12:18 am

Damn, you're a powerhouse!

Up to 51
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I agree, E/Irwin seems pretty doomed.
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Post by KMR on Mon May 13, 2019 12:46 pm

Episode 52

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-Ohh, that's how Marco died.
-Beast Titan to Reiner: "But the next time you lose, you give up your armor to another warrior." So in other words, another titan eats him and takes his power. Harsh. I wonder if that's a typical punishment and/or ritual in titan culture.
-Another titan can talk! Makes me wonder what differentiates the talking titans from non-talking ones. Reiner and Bertholdt don't seem to be able to talk in their titan forms, even though they're sentient. Or they just don't bother to? And Eren can't talk in his, but Ymir had some rudimentary speech.
-Also, he refers to Beast Titan as "War Chief Zeke." Have I heard that "war chief" title somewhere in the show before, or am I imagining it?
-Don't celebrate just yet, guys, his head's gonna regrow.
-Oh, that's where Bertholdt was!
-"If I agree to talk, would you all agree to die?" Bertholdt, you're not so good at this negotiating thing.
-Mikasa's got the right idea, you don't just wait around while people keep talking.
-I like these crudely-drawn representations of hypothetical strategies.
-Colossal titan looks even bigger than usual. Or is it just the perspective?
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Post by KMR on Mon May 13, 2019 1:09 pm

Also, I was just talking to my brother about the show, since I'm now caught up to him, and he pointed out something from earlier in the series that I totally missed/misinterpreted. Went back to the episode to confirm.

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When they show Ymir's backstory with her and the other cultists getting executed... I thought it was just a standard execution, and then she somehow became a titan in a way that wasn't explained. But what's actually happening in that scene is that the soldiers are injecting the people with titan serum (we don't see it, but we hear the sound of the needle stab) then throwing them off the wall into the outside world. The light we see coming from below in that scene is someone undergoing the titan transformation.

Meaning that this is how most (or all?) of the titans outside the walls are being made. People inside the walls getting rid of "undesirables" with this as their punishment. No wonder the titans who regain their sentience are pissed off and trying to take revenge on humanity.
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Post by Enail on Mon May 13, 2019 2:01 pm

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Wowwwww! Great spotting, your brother!

There seems to be a pretty clear difference between normal, functional Titans like Ymir, and then the malformed, weird ones that the Beast Titan uses, so I don't think all Titans can come from the same source. Maybe the Beast Titan's been making his own serum that's not as well-refined as the one they're using inside the wall? And of course the Beast Titan himself seems very different from Ymir-types.

The super-Titans like Reiner, Bertholdt, Annie and Eren are also different. I would have assumed that's because they consumed intelligent titans (I don't think we have any solid info that they have other than Eren, but since as far as we know that's the only way Titans get exceptional abilities, it's the best assumption I had), but I just went back and refreshed myself on some of the Ymir stuff, and she consumed that friend of Reiner and Bertholdt, but she's still a normal-type Titan. It seems like it's what gave her the ability to transform back into a human again/awaken her human intelligence, but she's not powerful like the rest of them.  So that suggests there's some other difference between normal- and super-Titans. Which still leaves 4 apparently distinct Titan types (though I somewhat suspect Beast Titan and the sub-par ones are part of the same experiments, possibly by Eren's dad, who is possibly Beast Titan, just in different directions).

Also, some of the sub-par Titans also retain consciousness, even though it's unlikely they've eaten a human Titan (Conny's mom, and also some of the baby-like Titans seemed to behave in a baby-like way)

(Also also, I remembered that fight between Annie and Mikasa that they never showed us the end of and now I'm mad all over again, that's way up there with Levi going Titan as promised things I most want to see in this show).
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Post by KMR on Mon May 13, 2019 2:59 pm

Enail wrote:
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There seems to be a pretty clear difference between normal, functional Titans like Ymir, and then the malformed, weird ones that the Beast Titan uses, so I don't think all Titans can come from the same source. Maybe the Beast Titan's been making his own serum that's not as well-refined as the one they're using inside the wall? And of course the Beast Titan himself seems very different from Ymir-types.

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As far as we know, the serum is made from titan spinal fluid (I believe that was in one of the eye-catcher infodumps). Presumably, the serum used inside the walls comes from the royal family titans. The serum from outside the walls could be extracted from other sentient titans they have, like Beast Titan. Maybe the effectiveness of the serum to produce functional titans degrades as you get further away from the royal family bloodline?

I think it was also suggested that the way the serum is injected/consumed can affect the transformation process. So Rod Reiss' titan was malformed because he licked it instead of getting a proper injection. So maybe the deformities are more individual based on how well the injections are being delivered.

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(though I somewhat suspect Beast Titan and the sub-par ones are part of the same experiments, possibly by Eren's dad, who is possibly Beast Titan, just in different directions).

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I'm pretty sure Eren's dad is dead, with Eren having eaten him to get the royal family power that he stole. I think Beast Titan is Erwin's dad, AKA the schoolteacher who was "killed" for knowing too much.
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Post by Enail on Mon May 13, 2019 3:27 pm

KMR wrote:
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As far as we know, the serum is made from titan spinal fluid (I believe that was in one of the eye-catcher infodumps). Presumably, the serum used inside the walls comes from the royal family titans. The serum from outside the walls could be extracted from other sentient titans they have, like Beast Titan. Maybe the effectiveness of the serum to produce functional titans degrades as you get further away from the royal family bloodline?

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Yeah, that seems plausible. You would think if it was based on Beast Titan, they'd have some kind of beast-like element, but if anything they're more closely matched to their original humans than regular titans. But he could have gotten the serum from anywhere. I'd had the impression when he was first introduced that Reiner and Bertholdt weren't fully working with him (they were surprised and terrified when he attacked their Scout group, to the point of almost transforming and blowing their cover), but now they seem to be working together so maybe it was just a miscommunication, or they could be intermittently allies, so perhaps he could have gotten it even from them.

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I think it was also suggested that the way the serum is injected/consumed can affect the transformation process. So Rod Reiss' titan was malformed because he licked it instead of getting a proper injection. So maybe the deformities are more individual based on how well the injections are being delivered.

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Yes, definitely Rod Reiss shows that how you make it matters - but he still became a malformed super-titan rather than a regular malformed titan, so I think it's clear that serum origin/quality/etc. still matters too. From the fact that Beast Titan seemed to turn most of a village's worth of people at one time, it seems pretty likely to me that he's doing it through something other than injection (putting it into the water supply? That would allow for it to not be the whole village at once, which was the case since there were still some humans by the time the Scouts found the village.)



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I'm pretty sure Eren's dad is dead, with Eren having eaten him to get the royal family power that he stole. I think Beast Titan is Erwin's dad, AKA the schoolteacher who was "killed" for knowing too much.

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Fuck, I completely forgot that Eren eating his dad and Eren's dad being out and about doing things wouldn't go together! rofl Good point. Erwin's dad did look quite a lot like Beast Titan too, iirc. Though, if he was titaned by the people who normally titan inside-wall problem people to get rid of them, why is he so different from all the others?
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Post by bomaye on Mon May 13, 2019 8:39 pm

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If you were getting rid of undesireables, why not just execute them?
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