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Post by Werel on Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:41 pm

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Mulholland Drive... I feel like Lynch wants the "meaning" to be something each viewer finds for themselves, if that makes sense (I've watched clips of him talking about his films and he doesn't explain what they "mean" in the conventional sense-he has said he doesn't even know what some of the things in his movies mean, though that doesn't necessarily mean they don't mean anything).
Yep, that sounds 100% up my alley. I'm the kind of person who loved Antichrist in part because nobody I've talked to seemed to interpret it quite the same way, and there aren't any canonical "answers" to it (other than chaos reigns of course), so I'm excited to start in on the Lynch canon.

DoubtfulGuest wrote:I also watched an interesting documentary on Lynch recently, The Art Life. He's an odd man. I think with some of the material on his childhood, I at least see where his obvious fascination with 50s Americana comes from-he seemed to have what we would think of as this very normal childhood in 50s suburbia, but this was interrupted by these inexplicable, dark experiences that hinted at this "other" reality...and, of course, you see all that in his work. Anyway, he seems very affable, but certainly an odd duck.

Just based on his role in Twin Peaks & The Return, I sort of love him. The interactions between him and Laura Dern made very clear that they actually like each other a lot after decades of working together, which speaks well of his humanity, and he's got a surprising emotional range in his eyes for somebody who's not a professional actor. He's terribly likable. Gotta check out that documentary.

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Never made it Sad I think it was last weekend. Next time I want to go to a concert and it's on a day I work, I need to  plan it way in advance.
I am... almost glad you didn't go, if you've never seen them live. It was so different from their previous shows that I got legit sad; I think they've been working way too hard, and all the joy of performing was just gone. (e.g. Sam's stage banter is usually very charming, but this time it was dour and wooden and involved a long semi-coherent rant about how there's no God and everyone needs to just give up religion already. Sorry you lost your faith bro but a) time/place appropriateness? and b) is there anything less interesting than a newly-minted evangelical atheist?) Fingers crossed that you make it to a more fun live show sometime soon!
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Post by Hirundo Bos on Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:57 pm

I just managed to get killed by my own beard in Don't Starve. I was planning to shave some beefalo in the cover of night, but accidentally shaved myself instead. Then I stood too close to fire, so my beard hairs lit up. I was so dumbfounded I didn't move away... and so I burned. It's... the most delightfully ridiculous computer game death I can remember having suffered.
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Post by Hirundo Bos on Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:18 pm

I think they should rename the game into "Don't Shave"
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Post by DoubtfulGuest on Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:34 pm

Werel wrote:Yep, that sounds 100% up my alley. I'm the kind of person who loved Antichrist in part because nobody I've talked to seemed to interpret it quite the same way, and there aren't any canonical "answers" to it (other than chaos reigns of course), so I'm excited to start in on the Lynch canon.

I've not seen anything by von Trier (gasp!)-okay, so now I'm reading about Antichrist, and some of it sounds pretty interesting (did you see The Witch? I loved The Witch, so if it's like that...), but is it enjoyable to watch, or is like a Cannibal Holocaust (which I haven't seen and have no plans to see) kind of thing where watching it is like an endurance test, to see how much you can sit through? Like, I enjoy Alejandro Jodorowsky's films, if you're familiar with those (it helps if you're stoned when watching his movies, but I saw both Santa Sangre and Dance of Reality "not-stoned" and I still thought they were both amazing-if anything, I liked them more than El Topo or The Holy Mountain. Of course, for me it's not so much the mystical stuff, just the visual experience of them; they're so completely unlike a typical Hollywood film) and the content of his films doesn't bother that me as some of the creepy statements he's made over the years.

Werel wrote:Just based on his role in Twin Peaks & The Return, I sort of love him. The interactions between him and Laura Dern made very clear that they actually like each other a lot after decades of working together, which speaks well of his humanity, and he's got a surprising emotional range in his eyes for somebody who's not a professional actor. He's terribly likable. Gotta check out that documentary.

I was so pleased to find out that Dern plays Diane! I thought that was perfect. But, yeah, he comes across as warm in interviews, always saying nice things about the people he works with. For someone best known for art-house films, often with disturbing subject matter, he comes across as charmingly unpretentious.

Werel wrote:I am... almost glad you didn't go, if you've never seen them live. It was so different from their previous shows that I got legit sad; I think they've been working way too hard, and all the joy of performing was just gone. (e.g. Sam's stage banter is usually very charming, but this time it was dour and wooden and involved a long semi-coherent rant about how there's no God and everyone needs to just give up religion already. Sorry you lost your faith bro but a) time/place appropriateness? and b) is there anything less interesting than a newly-minted evangelical atheist?) Fingers crossed that you make it to a more fun live show sometime soon!

That's a shame.

I definitely plan to go to more live shows. I still wish I'd seen The Mountain Goats last June, I was just...sort of...basically broke at the time, because I'd just moved, so I put off buying tickets and put off buying tickets until I just never went.
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Post by Werel on Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:51 pm

DoubtfulGuest wrote:I've not seen anything by von Trier (gasp!)-okay, so now I'm reading about Antichrist, and some of it sounds pretty interesting (did you see The Witch? I loved The Witch, so if it's like that...), but is it enjoyable to watch, or is like a Cannibal Holocaust (which I haven't seen and have no plans to see) kind of thing where watching it is like an endurance test, to see how much you can sit through?
Laughing Umm...

Okay, I haven't seen Cannibal Holocaust or The Witch (though it's high on my to-watch list! People whose taste I share loved it!), so I can't comment, but Antichrist certainly has its share of things-that-are-hard-to-look-at. I have a pretty strong stomach and some moments did make me arrghhhh and squirm. But! It's definitely not just shock-gore, and I think the body horror elements are crucial enough to the overall themes and feel of the story that they're merited, not gratuitous. I also hate grossout endurance test movies, and it's not one of those. If you do give it a watch, I'd love to hear what you thought, it's a movie with a real special place in my heart.

DoubtfulGuest wrote: Like, I enjoy Alejandro Jodorowsky's films, if you're familiar with those (it helps if you're stoned when watching his movies, but I saw both Santa Sangre and Dance of Reality "not-stoned" and I still thought they were both amazing-if anything, I liked them more than El Topo or The Holy Mountain. Of course, for me it's not so much the mystical stuff, just the visual experience of them; they're so completely unlike a typical Hollywood film) and the content of his films doesn't bother that me as some of the creepy statements he's made over the years.
No, I still haven't seen any of Jodorowsky's movies! Another one of those directors in the "as soon as I graduate and have tons of free unemployed time to watch movies" bin. Although I really love Everything is Terrible's adaptation of The Holy Mountain using only found footage from shitty dog movies--hearty thumbs-up to Doggie Woggiez! Poochie Woochiez! with or without ganj goggles.

DoubtfulGuest wrote:I was so pleased to find out that Dern plays Diane! I thought that was perfect. But, yeah, he comes across as warm in interviews, always saying nice things about the people he works with. For someone best known for art-house films, often with disturbing subject matter, he comes across as charmingly unpretentious.
Sounds like Lynch is NOT a von Trier kind of director (I hear he's the reason Bjork never did another movie after Dancer in the Dark). Laughing And yes, Dern kills it! I love her in most things, though, did you ever see Enlightened on HBO?
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Post by DoubtfulGuest on Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:21 pm

Werel wrote:Okay, I haven't seen Cannibal Holocaust or The Witch (though it's high on my to-watch list! People whose taste I share loved it!), so I can't comment, but Antichrist certainly has its share of things-that-are-hard-to-look-at. I have a pretty strong stomach and some moments did make me arrghhhh and squirm. But! It's definitely not just shock-gore, and I think the body horror elements are crucial enough to the overall themes and feel of the story that they're merited, not gratuitous. I also hate grossout endurance test movies, and it's not one of those. If you do give it a watch, I'd love to hear what you thought, it's a movie with a real special place in my heart.


Cool. Yeah, Cannibal Holocaust has actual dead animals being killed onscreen, which is just...I mean, I read that the natives acting on the film ate them afterward, which is the same thing that happened with the water buffalo on Apocalypse Now...I don't know, I also just don't like constant torture stuff (and I've had friends who love gory, very transgressive films who said it was hard to stomach), but sounds like you don't either. Your recommendation of Antichrist has made me more interested; I'll at least check it out.

The theme to Cannibal Holocaust is beautiful, though:



The Witch isn't particularly graphic, just disorienting and creepy, which I like. It made me think of Under the Skin (2013), where you're not always sure exactly what you're seeing, which is more disturbing than having it all spelled out for you. Again, it's that whole thing about the audience finding their own meaning. The director also did a bunch of research on folklore surrounding witches, and trying to make the characters think and behave in a way that's accurate to the period, rather than have them have feel like contemporary people with values and ways of thinking that would feel alien to Puritans in the 1600s.

I've seen the trailer for Doggiewoggiez! Poochiewoochiez! Everything Is Terrible does good work.

Werel wrote:And yes, Dern kills it! I love her in most things, though, did you ever see Enlightened on HBO?

No, I heard it was good, though. Did things get wrapped up before it was cancelled, or did it just "end"?
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Post by Werel on Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:37 pm

DoubtfulGuest wrote:Cool. Yeah, Cannibal Holocaust has actual dead animals being killed onscreen, which is just...I mean, I read that the natives acting on the film ate them afterward, which is the same thing that happened with the water buffalo on Apocalypse Now...
Oh shit, now that you say that, I remember the other reason I haven't watched Cannibal Holocaust, which is the general grossness of indigenous-exploitation Savage Primitives flicks. That gets under my skin pretty fast. Double pass (though I do like the theme song).

BUT SPEAKING OF UNDER MY SKIN,

DoubtfulGuest wrote:The Witch isn't particularly graphic, just disorienting and creepy, which I like. It made me think of Under the Skin (2013), where you're not always sure exactly what you're seeing, which is more disturbing than having it all spelled out for you.
Shiny/thrilled Shiny/thrilled Shiny/thrilled Literally my other favorite movie. If The Witch was evocative of that, on top of having thoughtful, well-researched cultural representation of Puritan ideologies, I have to see it yesterday.

DoubtfulGuest wrote:Everything Is Terrible does good work.
Holy shit, dude, are you my long-lost media-consumption twin? Razz

I have to tell this story because I rarely come across anyone who'd appreciate it: I saw the EIT guys do a live event a few years ago, EIT vs. Found Footage Festival, and it was one of the greatest events I've ever been to. The FFF guys went first and did their usual shtick, just two dudes introducing some fairly funny clips. And then. The EIT dudes came on stage. In enormous oversized puppet suits of the FFF guys. And did their whole introduction in bitchy caricature personas of the FFF guys, whose facial expressions indicated they did NOT know this was coming. It was... beautiful. (EIT won the nominal contest. Clearly.)

DoubtfulGuest wrote:No, I heard it was good, though. Did things get wrapped up before it was cancelled, or did it just "end"?
Both seasons are relatively satisfying stories on their own, but it definitely got cancelled at a point which wasn't an "ending". Still, it's very good both as a comedy, and as a accurate-and-damning-but-humanizing character study of a specific type of cringey person.
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Post by DoubtfulGuest on Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:53 pm

Werel wrote:Oh shit, now that you say that, I remember the other reason I haven't watched Cannibal Holocaust, which is the general grossness of indigenous-exploitation Savage Primitives flicks. That gets under my skin pretty fast. Double pass (though I do like the theme song).

Yeah, Eli Roth did that movie recently that was supposed to be a tribute to the 70s cannibal-indigenous people exploitation genre; just sounded gross to me (but I'm not a fan of Eli Roth as a filmmaker anyway).

Werel wrote:
Holy shit, dude, are you my long-lost media-consumption twin? Razz

Ha ha-maybe?! I'll take that as a compliment.  

Werel wrote:I have to tell this story because I rarely come across anyone who'd appreciate it: I saw the EIT guys do a live event a few years ago, EIT vs. Found Footage Festival, and it was one of the greatest events I've ever been to. The FFF guys went first and did their usual shtick, just two dudes introducing some fairly funny clips. And then. The EIT dudes came on stage. In enormous oversized puppet suits of the FFF guys. And did their whole introduction in bitchy caricature personas of the FFF guys, whose facial expressions indicated they did NOT know this was coming. It was... beautiful. (EIT won the nominal contest. Clearly.)

That sounds amazing-though, of course, I like the FFF too-that reminds me, I'm thinking of going to one of the live shows this year (part of my "make an effort to go see things live" resolution. Though part of my problem is getting interested in too many pieces of media at once, making it harder to be a dedicated fan of one specific thing-beyond stuff I liked growing up, when I had fewer media options. So I'm frequently out of the loop when it comes to which special events are going to be in my area and stuff like that-like, I really wish I'd made it to see MST3K Live on their Watch Out for Snakes! Tour; I just kind of forgot about it. I also used to feel weird about going to events alone when none of my friends were interested, but I've discovered it's worth just going anyway).

Werel wrote:Both seasons are relatively satisfying stories on their own, but it definitely got cancelled at a point which wasn't an "ending". Still, it's very good both as a comedy, and as a accurate-and-damning-but-humanizing character study of a specific type of cringey person.

"Relatively satisfying stories on their own" doesn't sound bad. Plus, I'm bad about not finishing TV shows, so I don't always mind it when there's only two seasons or something (but I prefer it if that was the creators' intent, not an unplanned cancellation. I got pretty invested in Carnivale last winter, knowing full well it was not going to end in a satisfying way and...I guess it was worth it? It's a very cool show-historical setting, sideshow people, gothic supernatural weirdness...it was a great ride while it lasted. At the same time, knowing that there will never be any real satisfying conclusion to the show is frustrating, after spending two seasons with those characters and their world...).
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Post by bomaye on Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:32 am

Get Out ended up being really fun

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I figured out the twist just after the guy was sprinting in the yard. Spent most of the movie going "GET OUT ALREADY." And then the end came and holy shit I was laughing so hard and telling him to do things ("HIT HIM AGAIN") and he'd do it ("SHIT YEAH") rofl
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