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Re: Genshiken
by bomaye Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:04 pm
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- Madarame is the one saying "you won't know until you try." Original Form Season 1 Chapter 1 Madarame would've done no such thing
- I fucking loooooved how they keep coming back the panorama staircase shots, dat visual <3
- As soon as Ogiue came up the stairs and "um'ed" I kind of lol'ed and thought "A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES" because for that split second it look liked she was going to profess her undying love out of nowhere for him too
- So the taboo. I kind of thought it was the over they pulled hands away from each other, and it made a lot of their interactions make more sense in that the fear and excitement of doing something that's "wrong" has coloured a lot of their "attraction" (Hato changing in Madarame's place, the two of them being alone in his place, being pinned down to the bed with drunk Kuchiki passed out RIGHT THERE etc). But then Angela said "Sorry Sue" and Ogiue gave him the Rocky speech and it may be Eye of the Tiger time, so perhaps it's a thing where they have to get passed the "taboo" to see if it's real or not, which I'm not as high on after that Sue chapter
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Re: Genshiken
by Enail Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:43 pm
- 119:
I loved seeing Madarame being the one to make a move and just how they handled it all, you can really see how much he's grown and that it really is a story about him as a character as much as it is a story about romance. And the taboo thing makes sense, and makes a good counterpoint to the other reason Hato's been such a hot contender, because he feels safer to interact with. And matches up with what we know about him from the original Genshiken that's sort of been forgotten in his role as hapless target of the harem.
I think if he's going to go with anyone, it's got to be Hato, but I'm still not convinced he will. Honestly, them dating seems like it would be the least interesting thing for Hato's character development and what it would do for Madarame's would be fairly limited. And, yeah, I'm still kiiiind of hoping for Sue.
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Re: Genshiken
by Werel Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:56 pm
119:
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- bomaye wrote:Madarame is the one saying "you won't know until you try." Original Form Season 1 Chapter 1 Madarame would've done no such thing
Yeah he's come a longlittle bit of a way and studied his date events carefully
-WHY DO YOU SAY THAT, ANGELA?
-Is Madarame's heart only with Hato (if it is) because of not the familiarity of maleness, but the shared experience of being a complete outsider? "A piece of shit bottom-of-totem-pole otaku like me can only actually be safe around someone with an even more ostracized identity or two, e.g. a crossdressing dude who is probably at least bi"? Is he emotionally drawn to shared struggle in solidarity, or just looking for the one person he doesn't feel totally inferior to?
-"Sorry." I guess he's too much of a wimp to admit he's not up for the real struggle, or too much of a wimp to admit he hadn't even thought of the real struggle. Hato's disappointment face is killer
-I hope that "Sorry" WAS Hato's KO punch, Eye of the Tiger all done and gone, was Madarame sweeping the leg, was the wake-up call he needed to realize all that stuff he'd said to Yajima about her resoluteness and clarity and honesty is what he deserves in a partner cause you KNOW he deserves better than "sorry"
If anything, this moves Sue up the totem pole some, because she's a) the only one with the guts to say it, points for that and b) the only one who probably won't find some crushing, affection-killing disparity between real-Madarame and the image she's got of him. Keiko would get burned out when either he's mostly crotchety instead of compliant and grateful (true-form Madarame: crotchety as shit) or doesn't bust out some secret Nerd Rage Manly-Man Self after being Sexually Rehabilitated by Her Radiant Culo; Angela'd probably just scratch her itch and maybe be disappointed in getting that itch scratched, though her actual views of Madarame are pretty opaque to me; and Hato would be hurt beyond how he's already hurt if the very realistic scenario he described came to pass, if he were backslapped with the fact that fear is often way more powerful than love, unlike in BL. If Sue really sees Madarame as a contemporary, as a fellow awkward nerd over-reliant on media to manage their emotional lives, then she doesn't stand to be too disappointed. But is avoiding disappointment really enough to drive a romance? Or a romance plot? Good thing this story is in more capable hands than mine. Make it work, Shimoku.
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Re: Genshiken
by litterature Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:12 am
I read 120 in Italian...
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- I wonder what Kio Shimoku has in store! Things have gone SO far with Hato that if Mada ended up with someone else it would really break his heart, but at the same time it'd be a waste if Sue's character didn't develop.
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Re: Genshiken
by Enail Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:01 pm
- 120:
- That conversation pretty much seemed like it was Madarame saying 'let's go for it,' and honestly it would feel a bit weird for him to not go with Hato after all that. I guess you could see it more as him saying he's okay with Hato being a guy and so yes, it's really possible, rather than deciding that he does or doesn't want to date Hato in particular out of all the real possibilities, but it read more like the former to me. It could probably still work if he decides not to choose anyone, but picking someone else seems like the plot kind of jumping awkwardly back and forth from chapter to chapter (which it has been doing a little bit for quite some time, IMO, so it wouldn't surprise me that much either).
I wouldn't feel so bad for Sue as for Yajima, though. For Sue it seems like just the fact that she pushed herself to give it a real go and got to be treated like a real prospect who Madarame could like as herself rather than just coasting on being supposedly his type, is a pretty satisfactory and rewarding outcome for where she is in life, and she could take that experience and move on to someone else. For Yajima, she's barely even admitted to herself that she likes Hato and doesn't even believe in the possibility of Hato liking her, so it could be pretty crushing for her. Ah well, that way lies character growth
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Re: Genshiken
by Werel Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:42 pm
- 120:
Yeah, I'm really having a hard time seeing anyone but Hato being chosen after this, barring some explosively unforeseen development or a "Madarame decides to date HIMSELF!!11 you do you, boi" scenario. Kinda agree, Enail, that Sue had her moment of victory just by saying it. Poor Yajima, though. I don't want to see her left with nothing except the knowledge that she is the most giving and dependable and intuitive and selfless friend in the entire world
Also, pretty happy Ogiue has finally taken her long-worked-for place as new Kasukabe, social puppetmaster extraordinaire.
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Re: Genshiken
by litterature Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:27 am
- 121:
"Let's have Rame-senpai announce his choice of partner for the pre-dinner toast!" (my translation, so definitely off)
- 121:
- no he doesn't announce anything D:
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Re: Genshiken
by Enail Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:36 pm
Okay, I give up, where did you find it, Litterature? Where???
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Re: Genshiken
by bomaye Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:41 pm
Either Litterature can read Japanese or Litterature is reading something like Ogiue Maniax where they talk about the new chapter as soon as the untranslated RAW is out
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Re: Genshiken
by Werel Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:44 pm
Litterature can read Japanese and is leaving us all in the dust. 
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Re: Genshiken
by Enail Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:41 pm
If it doesn't come out in English soon, I might have to try and follow suit 
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Re: Genshiken
by Werel Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:26 pm
...and now I went and spoiled myself on the Ogiue Maniax post for 121
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- While it's not the same as reading the chapter, the panel depicting Madarame's reaction to Keiko saying she's the most similar to Saki really does make me wonder if this is all going to play out in a "can't pick anyone, still hung up on Saki" anticlimax. Or maybe that's not an anticlimax, if it gets us to Spotted Flower canon...
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Re: Genshiken
by Enail Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:09 pm
I gave up and read the raw one after all
- 121:
- I'm with you, Werel, that gut-punched reaction, might be leading up to deciding he's still hung up on Saki and shouldn't pick any of them. Or even if not that, it kind of feels at this point like the very fact that he can't choose is a choice itself. If he doesn't feel strongly enough about anyone to say "yes, I want to date this person, does he really feel strongly enough to actually date them?
I was impressed with Angela suggesting they go for it with the harem, I'd kind of thought she was mostly just in it for the thrill of the chase. Or maybe because she enjoys flustering him - in which case, her solution would provide many opportunities for that
Completely shocked that Kuchiki's suggestion wasn't for them to forget about Madarame and be the harem of someone who's willing to pick all of them (now who could that be)
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Re: Genshiken
by bomaye Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:53 am
121 and 122 are on Kissmanga 
121
122 - Another "that chapter." You could've ended the series on this one
121
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- "The aura of normalcy seems almost divine in origin." Damnnnnn, Keiko getting ragged on by fucking nerds x)
- The 65,535th "Someone tell me who should I go out with meeting" Ouchhhh
- OH MY FUCKING GOD, KUCHIKI'S FACE WHEN HE FINDS ABOUT THE BED
- OGIUE PUSHING FOR TEAM SUE
- Keiko played the Saki-chan card
122 - Another "that chapter." You could've ended the series on this one
- Spoiler:
- YOSHHHHHHHHHHUHHHHHHH I WAS RIGHTTTTTTTTTTT, THE ANSWER IS NOBODYYYYYY
- Madarame's moving awayyyyyyy
- KUCHIKI KISSES HIM WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKK IF YOU NEVER SEE ME POST AGAIN I SUFFOCATED FROM LAUGHTER
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Re: Genshiken
by Enail Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:40 am
- Chapter 122:
-Way to go Madarame! Stepping up and making the decision! And I definitely think it was the best choice, and I'm glad the author knew it too.
-Holy shit, Madarame ships Sue/Ogiue... and so does SUE! That thumb's-up
-Oh my fucking god, Kuchiki! I was still laughing from ^ and then he just grabs him and that passionate kiss!
-Kio-sensei really hits it out of the park with silent scenes. Somehow they just hit that much harder.
-And that seemed like a maaaaaybe for Hato and Yajima
Madarame leaving I think is 100% the right thing to do for the story, but damn, I'm really going to miss him. Not even sure what the series will be without him at this point, he's been central for so long.
(And does Kuchiki really have to leave? I'm not sure he can ever top that last moment, though. I'm going to be looking like a crazy person laughing to myself all day.)
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Re: Genshiken
by bomaye Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:38 pm
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I think Madarame will join the rest of the old cast as a character who shows up once in awhile and Hato and someone new for the next year's new recruits will become the central characters.
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Re: Genshiken
by Werel Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:14 pm
- 121:
-The wrestling intros for each contender
-The interminable UHHHHHHs
-With the translation as context, Keiko's decision to bring up Saki is even meaner. I'm glad he specifically pointed that out when turning her down.
- 122:
-WHAT A CHAPTER.
-Madarame decides to date HIMSELF, ugh knew it (even though it was indeed the best decision for him, probably. Leaves the door open for becoming a dude who doesn't UHHHHHHH interminably)
-"I'd probably end up killing you through exhaustion" YEP
-I am super glad Sue was equally happy to continue faux-lovin Ogiue. Adorable thumbs-up. She got a pretty good bone thrown to her too, "so moved my vision swam" DAMN GIRL you can treasure that statement forever
-Hato x Yajima? Please? Maybe? Yes?
-OH MY GODDDDD KUCHIKI
-The silent interactions the next morning (save for Keiko digging her bitch hole even deeper) were really nicely done.
-Don't leave, Madarame. Or do, just get a spinoff series that's totally about you and your journey to self-actualization. This series without yoooouuuu???
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Re: Genshiken
by bomaye Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:53 pm
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- "I'd probably end up killing you through exhaustion." That was so hot, why didn't Madarame say "You'll try" <_<
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Re: Genshiken
by Enail Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:25 pm
bomaye wrote:
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I think Madarame will join the rest of the old cast as a character who shows up once in awhile and Hato and someone new for the next year's new recruits will become the central characters.
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- I don't have as much investment in Hato as a character, though. I wish him generally well, but I can't say I'm rooting for anything particular with him, so him plus a new character as the main focus might be hard going. But I am looking forward to getting back to more of Yajima's arc now that the harem hijinks are over, and Yoshitake's reign as president. I'm really hoping they'll find some way to keep Keiko on, ideally making amends for some of her recent behavior
Werel wrote:
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-Don't leave, Madarame. Or do, just get a spinoff series that's totally about you and your journey to self-actualization. This series without yoooouuuu???
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- Or that
Hey, I just noticed that they actually made a spinoff anime/manga of the in-universe series Kujibiki Unbalance! It sounds pretty generic based on the description, which makes sense given its original reason for being, but I have got some faith in the author that he could put something more genuine/interesting into it. Anyone read or watched it, is it worth giving a try?
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Re: Genshiken
by Werel Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:57 pm
bomaye wrote:
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- "I'd probably end up killing you through exhaustion." That was so hot, why didn't Madarame say "You'll try" <_<
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- Because only trying twice a year would kill him through anti-exhaustion (sound reasoning on his part though)
And yeah, Enail, I'm with you on not having a ton of burning interest in more Hato-centric storyline. Yajima-centric arc would be cooooool and totally hold my interest, though...
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Re: Genshiken
by bomaye Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:11 am
Werel wrote:bomaye wrote:
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- "I'd probably end up killing you through exhaustion." That was so hot, why didn't Madarame say "You'll try" <_<
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She was open to the harem situation
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