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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by bomaye on Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:49 am

It doessssss lean left, but there's a certain block of people who vote Liberal but if the Liberals wear out their welcome, they're wary of the socialist NDP and end up going Conservative or just staying home.
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by Enail on Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:05 pm

Wow, a majority, how long has it been since we got one of those?

It's pretty shocking how much the middle-and-left crowd in Toronto wanted Harper out, even ridings that the Liberals admitted they didn't have a hope of winning because they're so reliably NDP, and that the strategic voting guides said it didn't matter b/c whoever won it wouldn't be a Conservative, went strategic and voted Lib. (Though, actually, compared to any time prior to Mulcair and Layton's big NDP success, it would look like a pretty good year for the NDP  Shrug )

Also, kind of an afterthought, but I'm pretty impressed by how much loyalty Green supporters have, that they'll elect May solidly even in a year when most of the other left-leaners are voting strategically.

(Also, since y'all seem weirdly interested in Canadian politics, what Bomaye calls the East seems to be mostly Ontario and Quebec, but when Ontario and Quebec talk about the East, they mean everything East of Quebec, which are a very different voting block. So depending who you're getting your terms from, it can give a very different picture. When Bomaye talks about the population-heavy East, I'm sort of thinking "...wait, how would a big population even fit on PEI (tiny province famous for Anne of Green Gables and potatoes)???"  I kind of feel like we should be posting some sort of glossary of Canadian regions, parties and party nicknames, and associated colours. Razz
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by reboot on Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:16 pm

Not sure about anyone else, but I would totally be interested in that, Enail.

I am biting my nails over the upcoming Turkish election. I want AKP out so bad. Erdoğan, the former prime minister and current president, is trying to become Putin and I feel there is already one too many Putins in politics. I sincerely hope he loses the Kurdish vote. He used to get it because of religion and because he was less hostile to Kurds than any other party, but that seems to have gone out the window lately. Only problem is HDP, the Kurdish party, will have trouble forming a coalition with any party because they are Kurds, so there might be another election coming if a government cannot be formed.
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by Wondering on Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:31 pm

I would also be interested, enail. I assumed he meant Ontario and Quebec because that's the Eastern Time Zone, and east of that is the Maritimes*, in totally different time zones. Also, ON and QC are population centers. Grin


*Does Newfoundland count as one of the Maritimes?


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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by Enail on Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:14 pm

bomaye wrote:
Enail wrote:Wow, a majority, how long has it been since we got one of those?

Besides the one we just toppled? Uh-oh

Heheh, oh yeah, that one. Headsmack
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by reboot on Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:10 pm

It is sort of weird but I have been all over the damned place, but never to Canada and only recently went to Mexico. I am probably more ignorant about both than I am about obscure tribal areas in Afghanistan
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by Enail on Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:12 pm

Alright, since people seem to be bizarrely into talking about Canada (what's with you people?? Razz), I've split it out to its own thread.  I've left the stuff that was just about the recent election in this thread, though.
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by eselle28 on Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:01 pm

Congratulations to Paul Ryan on his upcoming career transition to working as a lobbyist or a Fox News commentator, both of which will allow him plenty of time to spend with his family. I'm sure Representative Ryan regrets that he won't be able to begin either position immediately, but I'm sure he takes comfort in knowing he'll be able to start at one or the other in approximately 2017.
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by bomaye on Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:13 pm

Someone made a Trudeau promise tracker
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Post by Wondering on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:54 pm

When does he actually become prime minister?

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Post by bomaye on Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:59 pm

Within a few weeks. He still has to choose his cabinet, they have to set up the transition. I think Parliament will be in session in January at the earliest, but I may have just read that somewhere, I don't know for certain
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by Enail on Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:03 am

I think Nov 4, technically, but that might just be the stuff like announcing his cabinet, I'm not sure when he really starts Prime Ministering.
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by reboot on Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:56 am

eselle28 wrote:Congratulations to Paul Ryan on his upcoming career transition to working as a lobbyist or a Fox News commentator, both of which will allow him plenty of time to spend with his family. I'm sure Representative Ryan regrets that he won't be able to begin either position immediately, but I'm sure he takes comfort in knowing he'll be able to start at one or the other in approximately 2017.

That is seriously the only reason I can imagine any politician with any ambition would take that job. Talk about being the eye of a shit storm. I am actually surprised he took it since he did want to be president. I guess he can forget about that.
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by bomaye on Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:42 pm

Trudeau's apparently convening parliament in early December, so that'll be the first time he can start doing real Prime Ministerial things. I think there's a big Paris climate conference before then but otherwise everyone's just hanging out.
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by WJMorris3 on Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:40 am

New Jersey has its state elections in odd years. Turnout was low (my county reported turnout of 24%), mainly because the highest thing on the ballot was state assembly (governor is every four years, next in 2017; state senate is elected in years ending in 1, 3, 7), and I am ticked off at that. If you don't vote, you don't have the right to complain.

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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by jcorozza on Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:50 am

Fellow New Jerseyan. I pretty much always vote (other than a time or two when my absentee ballot didn't come), but this year the combination of my work hours and not changing my address at the DMV yet meant that voting would have been very inconvenient if not impossible. For a more important election, I probably would have changed my schedule around, but considering that I most likely only know the names on the ballot from signs, I don't think it was a major loss. And really, does anyone ever complain about the state assembly?

I really wish more places would do what Seattle does (and probably other cities) where they mail you your ballot and you can drop it in various boxes across the city anytime for a period of two weeks. Not everyone is able to take off work or move their hours around, and not everyone works an eight/nine hour day.
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Post by Wondering on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:53 pm

Yeah, I'm not sure if all counties in WA do that, but King (Seattle) and Pierce (Tacoma) do. And we also have one of the best things for voting, IMO, which I guess not all states have: A voter's pamphlet. Put out by the state and county governments which lists all the ballot measures and all the candidates and write-ups for each. The measures have pro and con sides, too. Those are all partisan and not written by gov employees, but everyone in the state gets the pamphlet in the mail.

My husband and I sit down the weekend before voting day and go through the pamphlet and vote. This will be something that's important for us to do in front of the baby when she's older so that she sees us voting and realizes it's not only important but just something you do.


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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by WJMorris3 on Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:00 pm

jcorozza wrote:And really, does anyone ever complain about the state assembly?
When there's a couple of them I want out of office for meddling with the NJSIAA, absolutely.

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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by jcorozza on Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:48 am

Yes! We get a small thing in NJ as a reminder, but the one in WA was much nicer. But yeah, the King County system was awesome for that - it allows people who might not bother due to crappy work hours, disability/injury/hospitalization/sudden trip out of town to still vote. And those first two categories of people are often more financially disadvantaged, so it's pretty important that they be able to vote!
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by WJMorris3 on Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:14 am

We don't need "Operation Wetback" repeated.

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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by bomaye on Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:17 am

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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by Hirundo Bos on Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:11 pm

Yeah, that's pretty horrible.
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by WJMorris3 on Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:16 pm

My state's governor says he doesn't want to accept Syrian refugees, not even orphans under age five.

I could be wrong, but I distinctively remember a seasonally-appropriate story about Middle Eastern people seeking refuge and being turned away by the heartless.

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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by eselle28 on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:29 pm

Wow. George Takei had quite the response to a terrible mayoral statement linking the Syrian refugee crisis to the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII.
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Re: Politics and Current Events

Post by Wondering on Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:07 pm

I do not understand what the everloving fuck is going on with people in this country and the attitude toward refugees. There are so many wrong things with this attitude I can't even begin to list them all.

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