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Post by reboundstudent on Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:37 pm

Saw this on The Mary Sue and found it a fascinating, "light-bulb-moment" read on the Gamergate movement. Thought you guys would find it interesting as well.

https://storify.com/a_man_in_black/how-chan-style-anonymous-culture-shapes-gamergate

https://storify.com/SecretGamerGrrl/gamergate-s-obsession-with-false-flagging
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Post by eselle28 on Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:46 pm

Oh, I read that when Doctor Nerdlove posted a link to it on Twitter! I thought it was an interesting discussion of how there are some real culture gaps between some of the people involved, not all of which are necessarily in bad faith, even though they may lead to very condemnable behavior. I'm curious whether anyone who knows more about chan than I do agrees with the conclusions.
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Post by BasedBuzzed on Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:30 pm

Lifeless lurker here. It's semi-true, but missing a part of the picture(proof of oldstickbundlery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMC6blF2FTg).

Both SJWs(or Social Justice Sallies, if you're of the mind that the former has since been reclaimed) and anons have the same origin on Something Awful. Doxxing, death and rape threats, raids, ED-esque hit pieces are also the bread and butter of social justice's darker side(as is pretending to hold a political stance for shits and giggles until you become a true believer, a fate many a /pol/ participant or for-the-lulz SRSer succumbed to). Trolls like Teridax move freely between both sides, Quinn's current boyfriend Lifschitz was a 4chan mod(screencap, though no archive.org as far is I can search out: https://images.4chon.net/v/src/1411102180104.jpg) and I suspect a lot of the current people most actively tweeting against Gamergate have also been a part of the Troll Original Generation(see how many anxiously tweet about how their younger selves would have supported the 'movement').

It's familiarity that breeds contempt. While the Man In Black dude is correct in measuring some of the reasons anons absolutely loathe "identitarians", he misses the part where it's in a part a reaction to Social Justice Sallies' obsession with receipts, identities as defined by labels and the creation of stiffling toxboxes(a climate of fear for accidentally saying something problematic is perhaps an even more effective deterrent than a constant horrid maelstrom of gore and porn to keep outsiders out). If you have to choose between horrid shitflinging with the prize of ephemerality, and every bad remark you've ever made served as a permanent brand, it's easy to opt for the former.

Like I said before, this is Chanology 2.0 by now. Two very insular communities enraged by narcissism of small differences flinging shit at each other and calling themselves victorious at every turn.

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Post by Gentleman Johnny on Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:46 pm

4chan and Something Awful, no wonder it reminds me of EVE Online getting out into the wild.

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Post by The Wisp on Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:38 pm

They... sound like the borg Razz
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Post by kleenestar on Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:10 pm

It's pretty disingenuous to paint this as "two very insular communities flinging shit at each other" when every single game designer and developer I know feels that they're covered in Gamergate's shit. I hear my colleagues saying things like, "What in God's name did we do wrong to deserve 'fans' like these?" and "What an insult to the way I've chosen to spend my life." You cannot imagine the contempt the industry has for Gamergate; they're generally neutral-to-positive about the so-called SJWs.

The Gamergate attempt to have "dialogue" with game academic organizations was even more painful, though I suppose they'd say we're already SJWs what with wanting to include - gasp! - humanities and social sciences frameworks in our analysis of games.

Anyhow, to the original point: yes, I think the cultural analysis is spot on, and I think that's part of why the vast majority of devs and nearly all academics really dislike Gamergate - because their rules of discourse, belief, and behavior are completely opposed to how functional, professional adults in these fields engage with each other. I can recognize that Gamergaters operate by a meaningful internal logic, and still think that their behavioral norms and the consequences thereof are both totally inappropriate and ethically shitty.
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Post by eselle28 on Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:20 pm

Yeah, I'm finding it a little odd to use Tumblr Social Justice Warriors as a stand in for people who are targeted by or who dislike Gamergate (and perhaps chan culture isn't very representative, either, I admittedly know little about these groups). The people who have primarily been targeted are an academic, a number of game developers, some game journalists, and some people who are writers or bloggers but not journalists. I haven't seen much in the way of response from those people suggesting that they identify with the Tumblr crowd or consider trolling to be a form of entertainment. Perhaps these people's beliefs remind them of Social Justice Warriors, but it doesn't appear as if they're speaking the same language when they talk about what they find inappropriate, why they find it inappropriate, and what a proper dialogue might look like.
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Post by reboot on Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:32 pm

kleenestar wrote:....
Anyhow, to the original point: yes, I think the cultural analysis is spot on, and I think that's part of why the vast majority of devs and nearly all academics really dislike Gamergate - because their rules of discourse, belief, and behavior are completely opposed to how functional, professional adults in these fields engage with each other. I can recognize that Gamergaters operate by a meaningful internal logic, and still think that their behavioral norms and the consequences thereof are both totally inappropriate and ethically shitty.

Their rules of discourse, belief, and behavior are completely opposed to how functional adults, professional or not, engage with each other. Sarkeesian, Quinn, et all can at least give coherent interviews that pass the sniff test with Bloomberg, NYT Magazine, etc., GamerGaters not so much.
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Post by BasedBuzzed on Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:51 pm

I said "by now". In my impression, the Ghazi/KiA/Twitter fronts are mostly busy with capping tweets and then chestpounding in their own circlejerks. Subreddit handles show a huge overlap between Ghazi and the SRS fempire and KiA is full of /pol/ lingo. I never mentioned Tumblr, though one can no doubt create some connections between the site structure and its culture(discouraging of discussion vs. likes and reblogging due to sheer unreadability, tagging as encouraging a label mentality, etcetera).

Of course most devs and academics don't have time for this circus, but they are in no way immune to the notion that you don't have to obey the rules for targets who aren't behaving themselves, you don't have to believe in anything other than the other side's hypocrisy, and you don't have to obey the rules of discourse when you spotted this one tweet of your opponent violating those rules(or him not calling out one of his friends who did). A troll or a slacktivist will easily bring you down to their level by pushing your buttons, and then use a fundamental attribution error to show that you were just as malicious/bigoted as he thought all along. This is the logic under which the twitter addicts on both sides operate.

Readerbase or political leanings aside, there are plenty of coherent gators from the pile of podcasters, journos and other hangers-on they've managed to collect over the months. Just as often the interviewers are plain shit: Chu's Pakman interview was a pointless back-and-forth and that Breitbart dude's interview on APGD Nation in which he admits he isn't much of a gamer in one question and goes on to bash gaming journalists for not being gamers in the very next answer without him being called out on it.

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Post by kleenestar on Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:29 am

You are wrong. It's not that "most devs and academics don't have time for this circus," it's that we look at Gamergate in horror and disgust, but have other reasons not to engage - including the fact that the so-called coherent Gaters are, well, not. Watching Gaters trying to talk to scholars is like watching puppies trying to read Stendahl: it would be adorable if they weren't shitting all over the rug.

I also have no idea what you're implying by pointing out that devs and academics are "not immune to [these] notions." Yes, this is true because people are people, but in context it sounds like you are trying to draw an equivalence between, oh, say, two entire industries and a hateful minority of reactionary trolls who don't know how to interact with human beings outside their nasty little bubble. If that's the case, you are so fucking ignorant about the dev and academic communities that there's no point talking with you further.

Now, maybe you're proud of yourself for pushing my buttons. Yes, it's true. It pisses me off when other people decide that their ignorance is as valuable as my expertise. In this case I have a lot more insider knowledge than you, given that I'm a part of both these communities and you are not. So guess what? You've pissed me off. Nice work.
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Post by waxingjaney on Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:47 am

Gentleman Johnny wrote:4chan and Something Awful, no wonder it reminds me of EVE Online getting out into the wild.

Remember the good old days when SA was Photoshop Phridays and snarky reviews of Japanese eye-gouge porn?
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Post by BasedBuzzed on Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:05 am

No, because "not having time for this circus"=considering engaging with gators fruitless and beneath you. You've already pointed out the climate of fear you gauged at the start of the harassment campaign on DNL Prime, and I haven't forgotten, seeing as I pointed out the many ways in which it is conducted in the first post.

The point about academics and devs not being immune to this notion was pointing out that there are scholars and devs on both sides being part of the troll-tactic machinery that fuels both KiA and Ghazi(Roguestar and srhbutts as respective examples).

If I was trying to piss you off, you'd know. You've seen how I act when lampooning people on DNL Prime. I have no doubt on your knowledge of the academic/dev side, so trust me in the knowledge of having wasted a lot of time checking up on the two subs and Twitter, and having first-hand knowledge of chan sites and similar anon eruptions in the past.

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Post by kleenestar on Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:12 am

Thank you for clarifying. Much less pissed now!!! But so you know, in the dev and academic mainstream, there is in fact a) a huge difference in how Roguestar (etc) and srhbutts (etc) are seen, and b) anyone talking about "both sides" gets the side-eye super fast.
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Post by kath on Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:29 am

Is this what you're talking about at all, Based Buzzed? https://storify.com/SecretGamerGrrl/gamergate-s-obsession-with-false-flagging?

This may be off topic and if it's considered out of line I'll delete / move it / maybe it should be its own thread about How We Talk About Stuff ...

Also, BasedBuzzed, you use the "Oh those SJWs" thing fairly often ... I think (you have said) that you're referring to a specific type of behavior, not "people who think social justice is important" or "people who are heavy users of tumblr" or even all people who both "think social justice is important" AND "are heavy users of tumblr" (or twitter ... or the internet ...). Since "social justice" is a pretty big swath of interests / groups / causes and there are a lot of ways one can go about trying to forward their particular cause which might make them "warriors" in the idomatic sense, I don't think "social justice warriors" or "social justice sallies" (which has the added benefit of being gendered and therefore dismissive of women and social justice and people doing stuff about things they think are important)  are good terms to use. Even though they are apparently the dominant  ones. Because of this, every time you use it, it just seems ... lazy ... to me, like you are employing the moniker to evoke a very strong, negative reaction in people without having to detail the behavior that you're really talking about. So every time you use it, I pay less attention ... it becomes less meaningful, it makes less sense. Also, I think the term gets used enough by people (like GamerGaters) who just mean "this person vocally disagrees with me" (or "this person is fighting with me because I baited them" or "this person is fighting with me because I said something that legitimately needs to be addressed because it was awful") that I'm not sure the actual "is just trying to pick fights" meaning is there in a lot of its uses.

So just actually talking about the behavior - or coming up with a name for people exhibiting that behavior that is pretty clearly just about those people - would make your meaning a lot clearer, and I think encourage people to actually engage with what you're talking about.

I do think it's a bit different from people using "channers" as a shorthand to refer to "people who think this [anonymous, based on how it works on 4chan] type of behavior is OK" since 4chan is apparently set up in a very specific way that apparently creates a system where a particular type of behavior makes a lot of sense there but when taken out of that context is horrendous (at least if you're there you've opted-in; people elsewhere haven't). "4chan" as a thing is also a lot more specific than "people interested in social justice" and the environment reinforcing the behavior is actually a part of 4chan itself and how it's set up.

However, I am happy to use some other moniker for "people who are taking the weird toxic interactions of anonymous message board culture outside of their anonymous message boards but acting like that behavior makes contextual sense" if you would prefer that.

There's nothing inherent about being involved in social justice or tumblr that requires one act in the way you're actually trying to invoke when you say those things.


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Post by Lemminkainen on Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:40 am

I thought that A Man In Black's analysis of chan culture was pretty good, and I'm a queer man who has spent enough time at 4chan or adjacent spaces that I no longer register a certain three-letter f-word as a homophobic slur, but a suffix which you can attach to Verb X or Adjective Y to indicate "Person who does X" or "Person who can be described as Y."

But I think that his explanation for GG is missing something important.  I think that GG has a lot to do with broader media changes.  The past few years have basically been apocalyptic for professional journalism as a whole.  Many daily newspapers and magazines have shut down, and even venerable publications have shrank to become shadows of their former selves.  As a result, most intro-level journalism jobs have been replaced by unpaid internships, which are themselves hyper-competitive and difficult to get.  As a consequence of that, most young people who become professional journalists today are graduates of elite schools who have enough family money behind them to survive for a few years without pay in New York or the San Francisco bay area-- which, with the collapse of local media outlets, are the places where most publications doing any hiring are headquartered.  They also have to be the kind of people who would choose to do something non-lucrative instead of taking one of the many opportunities to enrich themselves which most wealthy graduates of privileged schools have.

This process selects a fairly narrow, homogenous group of people, who almost all share views within roughly the same sort of lefty political spectrum.  The major internet publications, whose staff are younger than print publications', are even more closely crystalized around this view.  Slate, Salon, Buzzfeed and the constellation of Gawker site all embrace politics based around some kind intersectional social justice (although they're usually much more sensitive to race, gender, and sexuality issues than to class ones, probably because the professional journalist creation process winnows out almost all poor people).  

At the same time, video games have become a thing which most adults do at least sometimes, and a bigger industry than movies, so writing about them has gone from being a niche hobbyist thing to a part of journalism defined more broadly, and the group of people who write about them has become more like the group of journalists as a whole.

So, it seems like a lot of gamergate people, who have politics that aren't compatible with the ISJ politics which most journalists have, see that writing about video games has been changing a lot are afraid that "official" writing about their favorite entertainment medium will be taken over by people whose politics are alien to their own,* but most of them don't know enough about how ISJ politics works or about the broader changes in media to articulate their discontent that way.  I think that this is what the rather baffling "Ethics in Game Journalism" thing refers to-- the people who most clearly articulate what they mean when they say it are pretty clearly complaining about the increasing prevalence of intersectional third-wave feminism and anti-racism in games writing.  They're basically afraid of the disappearance of their ethics in games journalism, and that games which they like but which aren't compatible with ISJ thinking will eventually be censored or banned.  Ironically, a bunch of them embraced Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals wholeheartedly, and launched a political campaign against the people they perceived to be the enemy.  (Seriously, look at the list here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals .  The Gamergaters followed all of these really effectively except for 11, and 12-- which I think is why the movement is losing steam now.)

I hope that this gets resolved through the broader spread of leftier norms-- in my ideal world, the basics of ISJ stuff (ie: the bits that 90%+ of ISJ people now agree on) would be as consenused-on in American politics as believing in democracy is today, and we would all argue about whether we should be socialists or anarchists.  But for now, it seems like games writers are still pretty politically distant from the group of people who play video games as a whole, so it seems like all we can do is work on minimizing the harm that the conflict causes (by say, building consensus around the idea that threatening to kill or rape people is always wrong, no matter what your political disagreements with them are) and doing the slow, subtle work of changing people's minds.

*Humanities and social science academics, another group of "official" writers about stuff, are probably a little more socioeconomically diverse than journalists, but are even leftier than they are.  In my own humanities graduate program, you're considered conservative if you identify as liberal rather than socialist or anarchist (or, if you're as hip as I am, a hybrid of those two things).


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Post by kath on Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:51 am

Lemminkamen, is ISJ intersectional social justice? googling didn't do me any good.
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Post by Lemminkainen on Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:02 am

kath wrote:Lemminkamen, is ISJ intersectional social justice? googling didn't do me any good.

Yes! My apologies for not making that clearer.

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Post by The Wisp on Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:50 am

Lemmi, Moviebob wrote an interesting article about how the divide between movie-goers and professional movie-critics mirrors what is going on now, which you might find interesting: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/columns/moviebob/12173-Comparing-Film-Journalism-and-Games-Journalism

He basically says that this is a rerun of the "arthouse vs blockbuster" debate but for video games. Ultimately, he thinks/hopes that consumers and critics will come to a truce, with both accepting the other. Of course, acceptance can't happen until the harassment and threats go away.

Also: 


Humanities and social science academics, another group of "official" writers about stuff, are probably a little more socioeconomically diverse than journalists, but are even leftier than they are.  In my own humanities graduate program, you're considered conservative if you identify as liberal rather than socialist or anarchist (or, if you're as hip as I am, a hybrid of those two things).

I wrote two long paragraphs responding to this, but I realized that was derailing the thread topic. All I'll say is that there are prominent non-lefties in psychology, and certainly a lot of political libertarians in philosophy, though they're a minority.
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Post by Lemminkainen on Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:55 am

The Wisp wrote:Lemmi, Moviebob wrote an interesting thing about how the divide between movie-goers and professional movie-critics mirrors what is going on now: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/columns/moviebob/12173-Comparing-Film-Journalism-and-Games-Journalism

He basically says that this is a rerun of the "arthouse vs blockbuster" debate but for video games. Ultimately, he thinks/hopes that consumers and critics will come to a truce, with both accepting the other. Of course, acceptance can't happen until the harassment and threats go away.

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Humanities and social science academics, another group of "official" writers about stuff, are probably a little more socioeconomically diverse than journalists, but are even leftier than they are.  In my own humanities graduate program, you're considered conservative if you identify as liberal rather than socialist or anarchist (or, if you're as hip as I am, a hybrid of those two things).

I wrote two long paragraphs responding to this, but I realized that was derailing the thread topic. All I'll say is that there are prominent non-lefties in psychology, and certainly a lot of political libertarians in philosophy, though they're a minority.

Yeah, I agree with Bob that there's an aesthetic dimension to Gamergate as well (which is further exacerbated by the narrowing class identity of journalists).

Er, my comment about the near non-existence of actual conservative people is really about "Humanities disciplines which aren't Philosophy or Classics, and Social Sciences which aren't Psychology, Economics, Political Science, or International Relations"-- although scholars in all of those disciplines tend on the whole to be much, much leftier than the average American, and possibly leftier than even the average young journalist.

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Post by The Wisp on Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:03 am

Lemminkainen wrote:
Yeah, I agree with Bob that there's an aesthetic dimension to Gamergate as well (which is further exacerbated by the narrowing class identity of journalists).  

Er, my comment about the near non-existence of actual conservative people is really about "Humanities disciplines which aren't Philosophy or Classics, and Social Sciences which aren't Psychology, Economics, Political Science, or International Relations"-- although scholars in all of those disciplines tend on the whole to be much, much leftier than the average American, and possibly leftier than even the average young journalist.

Gotcha.

Oh, you might also find this article interesting, also in The Escapist, by Shamus Young: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/experienced-points/12193-Games-Journalists-Views-and-Tastes-Tend-to-Change-With-Age-and-M

EDIT: Another moviebob piece on the issue: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/columns/moviebob/12173-Comparing-Film-Journalism-and-Games-Journalism

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Post by BasedBuzzed on Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:27 am

@Kleenestar

I understand that, the same thing happened in reverse with Chanology: looking back, it's ridiculous how much of a media darling Anonymous was in the light of its origin(I honestly wonder how much death/rape threats the Ronbot receptionists got in the initial wave of spamming). But that behaviour was neglected in light of the greater evil of Scientology, and they bought the 'lol, Anon is a decentralized movement' excuse like cake. I'm in dire need of a manner of phrasing that lets me call out toxic behaviour of unequal severity in two parties that doesn't get parsed like "both sides are equally bad in sum total", but rather as "this type of assholish behaviour fulfills horseshoe theory, look out for it, because those folks are the greatest threat".

@kath

It always frustrates me that most of the time people neglect the W in SJW(though perhaps it's gone the way of hipster and emo), as for me that last letter is sufficient enough to separate them based on such toxicity such as pointed out here: http://multiheaded1793.tumblr.com/post/104583792791/we-need-to-silence-and-disregard-abuse-survivors
and here:
http://multiheaded1793.tumblr.com/post/103369390656/on-the-strawman-i-cant-enjoy-anything-because

I run into this issue mostly here, so a new moniker that doesn't fall easily to dilution would be handy. SJ-cloaked abusers perhaps?

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Post by kath on Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:52 am

Er, Based Buzzed, could you please explain what you're reading as problematic in the first link you posted? I don't read with your eyes, so I can't rely on my interpretation of what's going on and who I agree with more to necessarily match up with yours (Not that I think everything going on in all those links is reasonable, but I don't have any history with those individuals, so I'm just reading the posts you linked to and the post they are responding to, and I have no indication which part of it you object to). Pulling out what you see as the primary issues with the behavior is another thing that would help others consider what you mean more thoroughly, because they would have a better idea of what that is.

See I think the "warrior" thing, because of the various connotations of "warrior" can easily be parsed "righteous fighter for all that is good and right!" instead of "self-righteous person who picks fights for the joy of it, choosing generally-supported ideologies and using them as bludgeons for the joy of bludgeoning." You can actually do that with any type of ideology, not just ISJ ones (though ISJ are obviously the most popular ones to pick right now), so how about something like "self-righteous moral bludgeon"? That works for people who aren't attaching their behavior to ISJ-related ideologies.
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Post by reboot on Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:14 pm

kath wrote:Er, Based Buzzed, could you please explain what you're reading as problematic in the first link you posted? I don't read with your eyes, so I can't rely on my interpretation of what's going on and who I agree with more to necessarily match up with yours (Not that I think everything going on in all those links is reasonable, but I don't have any history with those individuals, so I'm just reading the posts you linked to and the post they are responding to, and I have no indication which part of it you object to). Pulling out what you see as the primary issues with the behavior is another thing that would help others consider what you mean more thoroughly, because they would have a better idea of what that is.

See I think the "warrior" thing, because of the various connotations of "warrior" can easily be parsed "righteous fighter for all that is good and right!" instead of "self-righteous person who picks fights for the joy of it, choosing generally-supported ideologies and using them as bludgeons for the joy of bludgeoning." You can actually do that with any type of ideology, not just ISJ ones (though ISJ are obviously the most popular ones to pick right now), so how about something like "self-righteous moral bludgeon"? That works for people who aren't attaching their behavior to ISJ-related ideologies.

Moral smugness club also works. And Kath is 100% correct. Acting like this is only something ISJ supporters do is disingenuous. Faith communities, nationalist organizations, reactionary groups etc do this too. It is the curse of the zealous, all of them, from every stance.
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Post by BasedBuzzed on Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:40 pm

reboot wrote:
kath wrote:Er, Based Buzzed, could you please explain what you're reading as problematic in the first link you posted? I don't read with your eyes, so I can't rely on my interpretation of what's going on and who I agree with more to necessarily match up with yours (Not that I think everything going on in all those links is reasonable, but I don't have any history with those individuals, so I'm just reading the posts you linked to and the post they are responding to, and I have no indication which part of it you object to). Pulling out what you see as the primary issues with the behavior is another thing that would help others consider what you mean more thoroughly, because they would have a better idea of what that is.

See I think the "warrior" thing, because of the various connotations of "warrior" can easily be parsed "righteous fighter for all that is good and right!" instead of "self-righteous person who picks fights for the joy of it, choosing generally-supported ideologies and using them as bludgeons for the joy of bludgeoning." You can actually do that with any type of ideology, not just ISJ ones (though ISJ are obviously the most popular ones to pick right now), so how about something like "self-righteous moral bludgeon"? That works for people who aren't attaching their behavior to ISJ-related ideologies.

Moral smugness club also works. And Kath is 100% correct. Acting like this is only something ISJ supporters do is disingenuous. Faith communities, nationalist organizations, reactionary groups etc do this too. It is the curse of the zealous, all of them, from every stance.

Meknows, which I think I pointed out in the behaviour comparisons made in my first two posts in the thread.

On the parts that make me rage in the first link: how the abusive actions of one person gets entirely whitewashed while the other gets pilloried and mobbed for it precisely along stereotypical gender lines(here's a clearer link: http://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2014/11/17/zoe-quinn-is-an-abuser/ , though I don't think she's harsh enough on Gonji given what the dilettante dudette posted, and see also this case: http://laurajmixon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/A-Report-on-Damage-Done-by-One-Individual-Under-Several-Names.pdf). Especially in the light of these cases, I want something that shows at least the severity of the vitriol. Perhaps moral busybodies(after the C.S. Lewis quoute) might work, because it brings across the harsh tactics of norm enforcement?

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Post by Lemminkainen on Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:00 pm

Hey, BB, your link to Laura Mixon's RequiresHate/winterfox discussion thing is broken.

Here are a few other sources about it:

http://www.dailydot.com/geek/benjanun-sriduangkaew-revealed-to-be-troll-requires-hate-winterfox/

http://failfandomanonwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/46349159/Winterfox

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