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Post by bomaye on Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:59 pm

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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:01 pm

Episode 6

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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:47 pm

Ep 6 pale
Spoiler:
How the hell is he going to get out of this one Sad

"What would a hero say at this moment?"  Crying

Things are going to get ENORMOUS if his task is now to take down the most calculating city council member of all time. Is the other half of this show going to be a chilling cautionary tale about how the government routinely protects monsters and criminals within its ranks and you literally need supernatural powers to have a chance of standing up to the system (I KINDA HOPE SO)?

Also, THE MANAGER GOING ALL MINISTER FOSS

I know none of y'all have seen Berserk so it's wasted on you but it's a very nice parallel, I promise
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:08 pm

Spoiler:

I think it's more that Japan's system is based on putting them away with a confession as quickly as possible, regardless if they did it or not, and Killer-kun is actively exploiting it

Also, dat butterfly at the end of the ep, we're heading back to 1988 silent

Also also, I don't Manager-kun was winking, his eye was still swollen shut from Katagiri socking him last ep
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:19 pm

Spoiler:

bomaye wrote:
Also also, I don't Manager-kun was winking, his eye was still swollen shut from Katagiri socking him last ep
DOH, that's right  Headsmack

Can't wait to head back to 1988 and figure out whether Hiromi was targeted for a reason other than looking plausibly-gender-mistaken girly Uh-oh
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:11 pm

Werel wrote:
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Can't wait to head back to 1988 and figure out whether Hiromi was targeted for a reason other than looking plausibly-gender-mistaken girly Uh-oh

Some things about Hiromi, from me and reddit (mostly reddit)

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Hiromi's death removed someone from the suspect list because the police thought the girl-killing killer mistook him for a her. Meaning, the suspect would've had to know that Hiromi was a boy in the first place to not make that mistake.

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Such as, the man who teaches Hiromi every day? Uh-oh
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Sun Feb 14, 2016 3:39 pm

Finally got to it!

Episode 6:
Yep, it's got to be back to 1988 now, which would confirm that you're right, Bomaye, that it's the killer getting away with it that he gets Revivaled to thwart, not any particular death. Which means anyone could be doomed still, and probably at least someone will - the real killer can't be arrested for it if he hasn't killed anyone, so unless Satoru just goes and kills him, someone's got to die No

And the teacher is looking verrrrry suspicious. I don't think there's anyone else that could have done it that we've been introduced to in the past, is there? It could be that we haven't seen him in the past yet, but we're halfway through this show already, so it seems more likely to be someone we've seen. Although, we got a decent look at the lower half of Nishizono's face, and his chin seemed wider/squarer than I remember the teacher's being?

Also, Airi, what a sweetheart.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:59 pm

episode 7:
AAAAAAUUUGHHHHHH

I can't take this show Crying
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:44 am

Ep 7

"The one where Bomaye claws his face off at the end."
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Aggrax on Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:45 am

Episode 7:
You know, the entire time I was watching I kept thinking "If she keeps getting kidnapped because no one knows where she is, why is her hiding out alone in some abandoned bus at all a smart idea?" and then the end on the episode came and I was very upset.

This show is a roller coaster of adorable and horrifying.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:00 am

Spoiler:

Killer shouldn't know where she is if it's just the kids stashing her away.

Satoru knows, Hiromi knows, Kenya knows, Sachiko might have followed them because she did wake up when Satoru left, and Teacher-kun seemed like he was checking up on them.

Killer is a stalker so he's obviously been around them enough some other way to know here to go, if that is him.

Something that's bothering me upon rewatch. The Bus. "Izumi Elementary School" was where Aya Nakanishi went, aka the other girl who was murdered. It's still in Killer's "hunting grounds" for lack of a better term.

And jesus, so many feels in that episode. Satoru tearing up around his mom and Kayo, "I'm a superhero", camping out in the bus, that desperation to save her, the fucking RED MURDER EYES when he was about to mess up Kayo's mother.

Oh my fucking GOD

Spoiler:

Remember Satoru's surprise party?

They want out of their way to animate him faking being surprised
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:53 pm

Some Killer thoughts/an alternate theory

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Kenya's starting to creep up as "maybe he's the killer."

>He noticed Satoru noticing Hinazuki, meaning he was noticing Hinazuki first.
>He has been intricately involved in everything involving Hinazuki. He's the one who first mentioned "Hey Satoru, you seem into Hinazuki" which led their friend to introducing them. Setting up the Birthday Party. Following Satoru around, always knowing what he's up to and by extension what she's up to. Killer's MO is to stalk his victims.
>If he's also Revivaling, he changed the past by revealing himself to Satoru through the book conversation, which didn't happen originally or even in the last revival.
>He knows what's going on at Izumi School, where Aya Nakanishi (the other girl murdered) went. The bus they're using is an Izumi School bus, and I think it's implied it's on or near the school grounds
>Reporter-kun mentioned that Satoru's investigation info was ignored, but "another student's" was taken into heavy account
>Kenya is smart as fuck
>Kenya said something about "Just because you live in a big house doesn't mean you're happy." And that he wanted to live in the bus. So his family is well-off?
>When no one's looking, his emotional state kind of changes from happy to not happy"
>He also knows Hiromi is a boy.
>Kenya stops Satoru from doing something violent to Hinazuki's mother. What did Satoru do just before that? Give Yuuki an alibi, foiling Killer's plan to pin it on Yuuki.
>Black-haired guy's coat (I assumed it was Teacher-kun) in the intro matches Kenya's coat style.
>Kenya wears tight-fitting gloves, Killer did too.
>We have yet to hear Kenya's last name.

Not everything fits with him either, though. Teacher has the means and the physical frame but not the name, Kenya doesn't have the age (if you assume Nishizono/Killer is older, or the person who stepped onto the bus at the end is Killer) but has a number of suggestive traits, and maybe not the physical strength (there were boot-marks at the crime scene, so Kayo did get carried away)
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Werel on Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:45 pm

Spoiler:

bomaye wrote:
>If he's also Revivaling, he changed the past by revealing himself to Satoru through the book conversation, which didn't happen originally or even in the last revival.
That's the feeling I'm getting too. Kenya's got his own secret superpower in here somewhere, and it's probably the power of BEING A LITTLE RAT FINK ACCOMPLICE and/or being revivaled 2006-killer

Totally nice detail that they animated his fake surprise.

Aggrax wrote:"If she keeps getting kidnapped because no one knows where she is, why is her hiding out alone in some abandoned bus at all a smart idea?"
Bring her home to Mom-san to protect them both, Satoruuuuu. The only way is to keep everyone you love under your watchful gaze at all times Crying
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:50 pm

Episode 7:
This show is killing me!

When he starts crying as soon as he realizes he's back with Kayo, and then again when he sees his mom.  And the bit where they're playing cards, it was just so small and warm and perfect.

And the "I'm a superhero" scene too, the way it was both kind of a cover story and really, really genuine - that's what he wants, not in a flashy way but sincerely, the part that's right at the heart of what makes the fantasy of superheroes true and meaningful, to be someone who can save the people who matter, to be someone who isn't powerless in the face of the awfulness of life.

I really hadn't thought of Kenya as the killer, but it does make a certain (horrifying) sense. I was kind of kicking Satoru for not thinking he might be revivaled or asking what's up with him noticing so much. And at this point, it seems like they're leaning awfully hard on making it look like the teacher, episode 7 seems too early for them to want to give it away this strongly unless there's another big twist still after we know the killer, so it's looking more like it's got to be someone else. Also, it seems more likely that a kid from (presumably) a rich family would be able to become so important and powerful in the present day than that an elementary school teacher would.

They've been leaving footprints to the bus the whole time, though - and the show made a point of lingering on the tracks a few times - so anyone targeting Kayo (or Hiromi, for that matter) would have a pretty good chance of being able to find them, regardless of what else they know.  

The other weird thing was Yuuki's reaction to the mention of Kayo. I have a hard time imagining that he would turn out to be the killer after all, but it was odd enough that I think there's got to be more to his story still than we're getting. (And how crushing would it be if he was the killer  No )

And yes, Satoru needs to get his mom more involved. Even beyond the hiding out in an abandoned bus not being a great idea part, the fact that she was so close to figuring it out in the present day shows that she probably has some puzzle pieces he's missing, and the ability to notice things and put them together. There are so many moving pieces, he just needs more eyes on the situation. He's gotten to the point where he's taking power and doing what needs to be done, but I think he's still not fully getting that some things can't be done alone, though it did seem like he was starting to get it in the present with Katagiri.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:13 pm

One more thought::
Is it just me, or is he kind of thinking about the whole situation like a kid?

Taking Kayo to a secret hideaway, pushing her mother down the stairs, those seem like solutions a kid would come up with rather than ones by someone who knows how the world works on a larger scale, who would think about an isolated place being just as dangerous, what if the boyfriend just gets custody of Kayo, what if the police don't come right away for a thrown rock or don't stay long enough to be an alibi or he decides to wait till morning to call the police, and maybe try and use more of the societal structures in place or the power of adults to create interventions. And, while it's understandable he focuses on protecting Kayo and Yuuki (DO IT, SATORU, SAVE THEM!!), the way he's doing it is kind of taking care of the symptom on the smallest scale (if I keep this one person safe from the specific moments that lead to her death, nothing bad will happen) rather than the cause - except when he suspected Kayo's mom, he hasn't really been thinking much about who the killer might be in the past, only in the present.

Even when he recognizes a need for collaboration with others, he ropes the kids in (well, kids and another revivallee) to help him instead of adults. As a kid, it makes sense that he wouldn't go to his mother more, but as an adult, he knows she gets involved eventually and that she's good at investigating, and she seems like she would listen if he used his adult brain to try and convince her to do things. And even if the other kids werethe only people he had as resources, I don't think most adults would trust as heavily in the sporadic company of 10-yr-olds as protection from a serial killer as he's doing, he seems so confident it's enough.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:42 pm

Some counterpoints!

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- He's acting like a child because he's inhabiting the body of one. He only has a child's resources, he's only close to other children (and a future murder suspect, and a Teacher who's been unable to fix the situation). Also don't forget, when this happened originally, the adult investigators and even his mother ultimately did not believe him. The Teacher and Child Services haven't been able to remove Kayo from the household. The adult system or "normal" channels failed. And in his case, he's trying to prevent a murder that hasn't happened yet, who's gonna believe him until it happens besides another child?
- Also, he let the air out of the tires of their vehicles and left a "Kill you" sign at Yuuki's house, he overdid it to make sure the police were going to rush there.
- Also also, the thing about saving Kayo is that all of his efforts to find the identity of the killer have been stymied, so all that's really left is to try to prevent the murders, so that his mother isn't drawn into the investigation and doesn't recognize the murderer in the future. Resources of a child. He has to go to school, he has to go home at night, the only names from the suspect lists he recognizes are Yuuki and his father, and he may not have the ability to find out the rest in 1988 as a child.
- On pushing Kayo's mother down the stairs, I'm not gonna say specifically what it was, but I saw someone mention in a reddit thread that in the original manga he was holding something in his hand that would've made the scene even scarier than what it was.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:09 pm

Spoiler:
Yeah, there's the resources/situation of a child part, but it still seems to me like with an adult's mind and with some of the new things he made happen by changing things (like his mom going up against Kayo's mom in that one bit, which I assume only happened because he befriended Kay), he could have had a lot more ability to get his mother at least to listen to him or the teacher if he didn't think he was the killer which he doesn't seem to (I wouldn't expect the authorities, though) - or at least he would have thought he could, and had to be stymied in the attempt before focusing on the kids. At least, getting her to let Kayo stay with them for a day or two.

And it's not so much that he's using the kids as the only people who will believe/help me that strikes me as odd as that he seems to really trust that just their presence has such power. From an adult's mindset, I'd think that you'd look at these little kids and be like "is it really any better to have two of them together than just one, against a serial killer?"  Like, of course you'd try and have the other kids be there anyway because it's better than nothing, and you'd hope it would deter the killer since he preys on isolated kids, but the degree of certainty he seems to have that it's totally safe as long as there's two together seems odd to me  (especially since he knows that the killer is willing to change his usual pattern when necessary - killing his mom). Or when he's with her, you'd think he'd be at least a little worried the killer might attack anyway but figure he could probably do something, but he seems so confident about it.

And even if the investigation's been stymied for the most part, I feel like if he were on the lookout for killers, he would have at least tried to look into the teacher a little bit or question him a little, just based on the interactions he's had with him. Maybe not after he got to see the suspect list, but before that.

I don't know, just seems like there's something a little more childlike in his mindset when he's in the past beyond just the resources available, like he just slips into his child self easily and is almost sharing the reins.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:45 pm

Enail wrote:
Spoiler:
Yeah, there's the resources/situation of a child part, but it still seems to me like with an adult's mind and with some of the new things he made happen by changing things (like his mom going up against Kayo's mom in that one bit, which I assume only happened because he befriended Kay), he could have had a lot more ability to get his mother at least to listen to him or the teacher if he didn't think he was the killer which he doesn't seem to (I wouldn't expect the authorities, though) - or at least he would have thought he could, and had to be stymied in the attempt before focusing on the kids. At least, getting her to let Kayo stay with them for a day or two.

Spoiler:

Kidnapping is a crime <.<


Spoiler:

And it's not so much that he's using the kids as the only people who will believe/help me that strikes me as odd as that he seems to really trust that just their presence has such power. From an adult's mindset, I'd think that you'd look at these little kids and be like "is it really any better to have two of them together than just one, against a serial killer?"  Like, of course you'd try and have the other kids be there anyway because it's better than nothing, and you'd hope it would deter the killer since he preys on isolated kids, but the degree of certainty he seems to have that it's totally safe as long as there's two together seems odd to me  (especially since he knows that the killer is willing to change his usual pattern when necessary - killing his mom). Or when he's with her, you'd think he'd be at least a little worried the killer might attack anyway but figure he could probably do something, but he seems so confident about it.

Spoiler:

He's catching Killer off guard though. Killer has been setting up his fall-guy and his targets and probably even the when and where and Satoru's very quickly gotten in the way of all of that. Killer does things in a very controlled setting and manner as well, there is significantly more chances of things going wrong with two people on the scene.


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And even if the investigation's been stymied for the most part, I feel like if he were on the lookout for killers, he would have at least tried to look into the teacher a little bit or question him a little, just based on the interactions he's had with him. Maybe not after he got to see the suspect list, but before that.

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I could see how he could be disarmed by him, though. Teacher has been seemingly working with him to try and get Kayo out of that house, encourage Satoru to become friends with Kayo and de-isolate her, helped set up their surprise party, and has been an all-around stand-up guy. He's been on his side pretty hard, almost as hard as Kenya has been.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:03 pm

bomaye wrote:
Enail wrote:
Spoiler:
Yeah, there's the resources/situation of a child part, but it still seems to me like with an adult's mind and with some of the new things he made happen by changing things (like his mom going up against Kayo's mom in that one bit, which I assume only happened because he befriended Kay), he could have had a lot more ability to get his mother at least to listen to him or the teacher if he didn't think he was the killer which he doesn't seem to (I wouldn't expect the authorities, though) - or at least he would have thought he could, and had to be stymied in the attempt before focusing on the kids. At least, getting her to let Kayo stay with them for a day or two.

Spoiler:

Kidnapping is a crime <.<

Spoiler:

Kayo's solution works here, too. If found out, she could say she told them her mom gave permission. But he's not even considering those kinds of things and then rejecting them, it doesn't seem like they're occurring to him at all.


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He's catching Killer off guard though. Killer has been setting up his fall-guy and his targets and probably even the when and where and Satoru's very quickly gotten in the way of all of that. Killer does things in a very controlled setting and manner as well, there is significantly more chances of things going wrong with two people on the scene.

Spoiler:

I don't know, his degree of confidence in the power of some pretty small disruptions just seems... almost like faith? Like he needs to believe that it's these kinds of small changes that can alter things. Like he's really seeing himself as a child, as someone whose world is very small and where adults are still mysterious people who can make good or bad things happen based on your actions but not in a way that's direct or really understandable. There are moments when he's looking with an adult's eyes, when he gets to know Yuuki again for the first time, for example. But in a lot of ways, it feels like he's driven subtly by a child's emotions, a child's kind of intelligence and courage rather than an adult's. Whereas Kenya seems to look at things in a much more detached and adult way.


Spoiler:

I could see how he could be disarmed by him, though. Teacher has been seemingly working with him to try and get Kayo out of that house, encourage Satoru to become friends with Kayo and de-isolate her, helped set up their surprise party, and has been an all-around stand-up guy. He's been on his side pretty hard, almost as hard as Kenya has been.

Spoiler:

Oh yeah, for sure. But it would have seemed more like his adult self if he'd been more suspicious at first and then been disarmed. But he's not really thinking about suspects so much as locking on to these moments as tokens of change.

It's all just a subtle feel, but it gives a particular angle to the past IMO.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:48 pm

Enail wrote:
Spoiler:

Kayo's solution works here, too. If found out, she could say she told them her mom gave permission. But he's not even considering those kinds of things and then rejecting them, it doesn't seem like they're occurring to him at all.

Spoiler:

And then she returns back to the place where Killer is gonna get her when it's discovered, and mebs "I don't want you hanging out with that Satoru-kid anymore" and etc etc Uh-oh


Spoiler:

I don't know, his degree of confidence in the power of some pretty small disruptions just seems... almost like faith? Like he needs to believe that it's these kinds of small changes that can alter things. Like he's really seeing himself as a child, as someone whose world is very small and where adults are still mysterious people who can make good or bad things happen based on your actions but not in a way that's direct or really understandable. There are moments when he's looking with an adult's eyes, when he gets to know Yuuki again for the first time, for example. But in a lot of ways, it feels like he's driven subtly by a child's emotions, a child's kind of intelligence and courage rather than an adult's. Whereas Kenya seems to look at things in a much more detached and adult way.

Spoiler:

That detached and adult way gets Kayo and Hiromi killed Uh-oh

And I think he went over it in the gym, small disruptions are controllable but there's a point where they start introducing x-factors that he can't forsee.

And like, his adult world is small. He doesn't trust other people and doesn't open up to them. They literally are mysterious people who can make good or bad things happen. <.<


Spoiler:

Oh yeah, for sure. But it would have seemed more like his adult self if he'd been more suspicious at first and then been disarmed. But he's not really thinking about suspects so much as locking on to these moments as tokens of change.

Spoiler:

Except I guess he does give people willing to help the benefit of the doubt, like Manager-kun. And Reporter-san. Or his attempt to change the past is changing him as a person in the future.
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by Enail on Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:15 am

bomaye wrote:
Enail wrote:
Spoiler:

I don't know, his degree of confidence in the power of some pretty small disruptions just seems... almost like faith? Like he needs to believe that it's these kinds of small changes that can alter things. Like he's really seeing himself as a child, as someone whose world is very small and where adults are still mysterious people who can make good or bad things happen based on your actions but not in a way that's direct or really understandable. There are moments when he's looking with an adult's eyes, when he gets to know Yuuki again for the first time, for example. But in a lot of ways, it feels like he's driven subtly by a child's emotions, a child's kind of intelligence and courage rather than an adult's. Whereas Kenya seems to look at things in a much more detached and adult way.

Spoiler:

That detached and adult way gets Kayo and Hiromi killed Uh-oh

Spoiler:

I don't think he ever did it in a detached and adult way - he was detached first time round, but in a child's way. Which is not to say Kenya's way is better (assuming he's not eeeeevil  Uh-oh ), it's just striking that he focuses so much on this personal way of looking at things, compared to his adult self where he's only just now starting to think the personal side has weight (like telling Katagiri he believes her). It really seems like he enters much more into the past he's revivaling into than Kenya, who feels like he's always holding back and observing, he uses the social aspect to maneuver things and to learn (whether that turns out to be for good or evil purposes), but I don't get the sense that he's as personally invested in the life of the child self he's living as.

Spoiler:

And I think he went over it in the gym, small disruptions are controllable but there's a point where they start introducing x-factors that he can't forsee.

Spoiler:
But would, say, having Kayo rotate staying a night or two with each of his friends be that much bigger a disruption? I suppose more people, and especially adults, involved means more unforseeable elements, but it still seems to me like he isn't even looking at those kinds of options and ruling them out, like he's primarily looking at the choices a child would think of rather than considering the ones an adult would.

Spoiler:

And like, his adult world is small. He doesn't trust other people and doesn't open up to them. They literally are mysterious people who can make good or bad things happen. <.<

Spoiler:
That's a good point. But as an adult, even though he's untrusting of them, he does fairly quickly think of them as interactive actors rather than as mysterious forces, he'll give them a try in a crisis or try and feel them out if he needs something. And he seems to see them as more understandable than he does with adults in the past, even if understanding leads to not trusting rather than trusting.He seemed to think (correctly) he'd be able to tell if the manager was going to betray him. In the present, he's looking at the adults (er, and teenager) around him as people that he can understand what he can expect from them and what ways they can help or hinder him. In the past, he only really seems to look at the kids that way.



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Except I guess he does give people willing to help the benefit of the doubt, like Manager-kun. And Reporter-san. Or his attempt to change the past is changing him as a person in the future.

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Yeah, I think his willingness to trust is growing as he connects with people in the past. But he approaches people differently.
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Post by bomaye on Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:54 am

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I don't think he ever did it in a detached and adult way - he was detached first time round, but in a child's way. Which is not to say Kenya's way is better (assuming he's not eeeeevil  Uh-oh ), it's just striking that he focuses so much on this personal way of looking at things, compared to his adult self where he's only just now starting to think the personal side has weight (like telling Katagiri he believes her). It really seems like he enters much more into the past he's revivaling into than Kenya, who feels like he's always holding back and observing, he uses the social aspect to maneuver things and to learn (whether that turns out to be for good or evil purposes), but I don't get the sense that he's as personally invested in the life of the child self he's living as.

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Assuming he's not evil, Kenya's detached and adult way of doing things after he noticed Kayo's cuts and bruises was to do nothing Uh-oh


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But would, say, having Kayo rotate staying a night or two with each of his friends be that much bigger a disruption? I suppose more people, and especially adults, involved means more unforseeable elements, but it still seems to me like he isn't even looking at those kinds of options and ruling them out, like he's primarily looking at the choices a child would think of rather than considering the ones an adult would.

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What options are the adult options, though?

- In the original timeline, his mother did not believe him after the murders, nevermind the chances of her believing him before any murders took place. Maybe his alterations would work more in his favour, but he's also not counting on getting multiple chances. It's a risk to try to get her involved.
- Kayo's mother has so far avoided child services and seems to have a sixth sense about it
- Teacher-kun has been unable to use the adult systems around him to rescue her.
- Killer somehow has an inside track on Kayo. He knows her situation, he knows where she gets left, and has the plan already in place. Satoru doesn't know who Killer is. Adult solutions are usually slow and more by-the-book (i.e. Teacher trying to spring Child Services on Kayo's mother again in the Spring). Killer's got the metaphorical high ground.
- We have no idea if any of the other parents would agree to it. That also adds more people and more variables and legal dangers.


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That's a good point. But as an adult, even though he's untrusting of them, he does fairly quickly think of them as interactive actors rather than as mysterious forces, he'll give them a try in a crisis or try and feel them out if he needs something. And he seems to see them as more understandable than he does with adults in the past, even if understanding leads to not trusting rather than trusting.He seemed to think (correctly) he'd be able to tell if the manager was going to betray him. In the present, he's looking at the adults (er, and teenager) around him as people that he can understand what he can expect from them and what ways they can help or hinder him. In the past, he only really seems to look at the kids that way.



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Yeah, I think his willingness to trust is growing as he connects with people in the past. But he approaches people differently.

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I dunno, I think there are parallel interactions. The Teacher in the past and The Reporter in the present are people he only knows as their jobs, and knows that they're both concerned about the victims of the case. He knew Manager-kun casually but not well enough to not suspect him, and while he feels certain of Yuuki's innocence, he has used his adult eye to analyze him differently and to question him just to make sure last episode if he was the Killer or not.
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Post by Enail on Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:02 pm

bomaye wrote:
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Assuming he's not evil, Kenya's detached and adult way of doing things after he noticed Kayo's cuts and bruises was to do nothing Uh-oh

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Well, exactly. Kenya's not invested in these people, this life, in their own right, he's thinking about some other purpose or plan. Satoru doesn't just want to save her like an adult would want to save a childhood could-have-been friend he regrets or wanting to calculatedly set things right in the future, he wants to be her friend as his kid self. He's entering more deeply into the time he's in than Kenya is, even if whatever Kenya's doing is to set things right rather than wrong.

I'm not saying Kenya's 'more adult and detached' is a better thing, it just highlights how differently Satoru has been approaching things right since the first Revival to 1988, and thus how different that is from how Satoru used to approach things in the present - even when he was willing to risk a lot to save people, he tried not to connect or invest. Like, he cared about saving someone from getting hit by the van, but he doesn't follow up and see if they're okay, just like he tries not to get to know Katagiri more. Whereas, right away as soon as he's sent back to 1988, he focuses on connection and on the children's side of things first and foremost, that's what he sees as the thing that needs fixing, it's not "stopping the killer" or "catching the killer," it's "if I save this person by befriending her, that will change everything". He's instantly part of that world, in the role he's in, and that's changing how he relates to things in the present.


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What options are the adult options, though?

- In the original timeline, his mother did not believe him after the murders, nevermind the chances of her believing him before any murders took place. Maybe his alterations would work more in his favour, but he's also not counting on getting multiple chances. It's a risk to try to get her involved.
- Kayo's mother has so far avoided child services and seems to have a sixth sense about it
- Teacher-kun has been unable to use the adult systems around him to rescue her.
- Killer somehow has an inside track on Kayo. He knows her situation, he knows where she gets left, and has the plan already in place. Satoru doesn't know who Killer is. Adult solutions are usually slow and more by-the-book (i.e. Teacher trying to spring Child Services on Kayo's mother again in the Spring). Killer's got the metaphorical high ground.
- We have no idea if any of the other parents would agree to it. That also adds more people and more variables and legal dangers.

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Again, it makes sense that he'd reject them, but it doesn't really seem like he thinks about them that heavily before they get rejected, like you'd think he would have tried to get child services involved before he found out from the teacher that that's a no-go, that seems like one of the first things most adults would think of, especially given that he thought the mom killed her.

ETA: Or even, asking the other kids to help him check on Kayo, it might be the best option he's got, but it doesn't even seem to occur to him to wonder if it's safe to have the next child to be kidnapped wandering alone at night on his own to keep an eye on the first child.  He's thinking of them as peers to some degree rather than purely as children much younger than him that he has to play along with or rely on through lack of choice.


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I dunno, I think there are parallel interactions. The Teacher in the past and The Reporter in the present are people he only knows as their jobs, and knows that they're both concerned about the victims of the case. He knew Manager-kun casually but not well enough to not suspect him, and while he feels certain of Yuuki's innocence, he has used his adult eye to analyze him differently and to question him just to make sure last episode if he was the Killer or not.

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But the reporter, he seeks out. The teacher only comes up because he starts talking to Satoru about the situatio himself. In the past, he's quite passive WRT adults, and doesn't usually seem to try and get anything from them (say, use the fact that he's got an adult's mind hidden in the child appearance to try and get their guard down or manipulate them or anything) while in the present he sees them as resources and understandable threats rather than non-interactive forces.

Anyway, I don't think I'm gong to convince you, it just stands out to me Razz
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Re: Erased/Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

Post by bomaye on Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:01 am

LET'S ARGUE SOME MORE
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Post by Enail on Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:08 am

NO LET'S NOT!
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